After a long time on the Discord and the Challenges threads, I decided it was time to finally assemble a proper Shipbucket thread for the ships I've made for my Menghe AU. Menghe started back in 2012 as a NationStates project, and as a result I already have a colossal amount of content on NS's iiWiki site, so I'll mostly limit myself to images and brief writeups in this thread while occasionally linking to more thorough iiWiki pages (for example, here's
the main country page for Menghe). In keeping with the forum's higher-level organization, I'm going to put my FD-scale art in a different thread, if I get around to making one at all; but I may slip in halfscale (1px:1ft) supplementary images to this thread, to show drafting plans, 3-views, and internal layouts, and perhaps the occasional map.
Overview:
Menghe (formally, 대멩 / 大孟
Dae Meng, but more commonly 멩국 / 孟國
Mengguk) is a country in the collaborative AU world Septentrion, which some of you may recognize from
Blackbuck's AU thread. In the 2020 census, Menghe recorded a population of 551,935,036, and in that same year it had a land area of 3,719,849 square kilometers and a nominal GDP of $9.810 trillion. It surpassed
Fyrland as Septentrion's largest economy in 2017, but it remains a latecomer to the circle of great powers and its global power projection capabilities remain constrained.
Menghe's last half-millenium of naval history has been a story of stops and starts. For centuries, Imperial Menghe was the strongest economic and military power in the Eastern Hemisphere, but this golden age came to an end in 1508-1514 when the first large-scale sea trade with Casaterra unleashed the
Menghean Black Plague, carried by rats stowing away aboard sailing ships. This pandemic toppled the
Yi dynasty and killed perhaps half of its population; while the Myŏn dynasty eventually rose to take its place, Myŏn emperors pursued a policy of isolationism to block out foreign diseases, allowing the Casaterran colonial powers, and later other Hemithean states, to replace Imperial Menghe as the main naval presence in the East. The Myŏn dynasty fell in 1867, toppled by a rebellion led by General Kim Ryung-sŏng, who crowned himself Emperor and established the Sinyi dynasty. Rather than strengthening the country, this move
divided it, as Menghe's southern provinces united under the Namyang Government and waged an on-and-off war with Sinyi over the next several decades. Under pressure to keep up with their respective rivals, both Sinyi and Namyang opened trade with Western countries and began modernizing their navies, with ironclads, torpedo boats, and central battery ships replacing sailing junks.
In 1901, the Sinyi dynasty and the Namyang government signed a treaty unifying their holdings into the
Federative Republic of Menghe. This county pursued many modernizing reforms, including a federal, parliamentary system of government and a policy of promoting industrialization. The Sinyi and Namyang navies were combined into the Menghean Federal Navy, the first to use the blue-white-blue naval flag that flies from Menghean ships today.
With Westernization came backlash. In 1927, Fleet Admiral Kwon Chong Hoon staged a military coup in the capital of Donggyŏng, installing Kim Myŏng-hwan as Emperor and himself as Regent in the
Greater Menghean Empire. Not content to pursue gradual modernization, Kwon hoped to rapidly build up Menghe's armed forces and drive the Western colonial powers out of Hemithea and Meridia, thereby restoring Menghe to its rightful position as regional hegemon. With a Navy officer at the helm, so to speak, the renamed Imperial Menghean Navy initially received the bulk of modernization funding, exceeding its limits under the
Selkiö Naval Treaty and withdrawing from the treaty completely in 1935. In 1937, however, the Donghyi Emperor (Kim Myŏng-hwan) succeeded in dismissing Kwon as Regent and assuming direct control. From 1938 onward, the Imperial Menghean Army received priority in funding: partly because top Army officers had backed the Emperor's self-coup, and partly because Imperial Menghe was facing more and more pressure in its war on land. As the least industrialized of the great powers, Menghe had to make difficult choices in the
Pan-Septentrion War of 1932-1945, and as oil became scarce and steel mills were bombed, the Imperial Menghean Navy languished under Army primacy.
The year 1945 brought the atomic bombing of Dongrŭng (8 November), the atomic bombing of Anchŏn (11 November), the signing of the Articles of Surrender (15 November), and the beginning of an 8-year Allied occupation (31 November). The Allied Occupation Authority dismantled what remained of Menghe's navy, distributing some vessels as prize ships and scrapping others. The Allied Occupation Authority flew the "Mike" signal flag as Menghe's provisional national flag. In 1953, the Allied Occupation Authority handed power to the Republic of Menghe, which remained a puppet regime under the direction of the Allied powers, chiefly the United Kingdoms of Anglia and Lechernt. The Republic of Menghe was allowed a small navy, mainly for coastal security, and it received a few Allied surplus ships, but internal turmoil was the main brake on its naval construction:
a civil war still raged in the interior, waged first by Imperial Menghean Army units which refused to surrender, and later by Communist guerrillas and revolutionaries.
The united Communist and Nationalist forces captured the last holdouts of the Republic of Menghe in 1964, founding the
Democratic People's Republic of Menghe or DPRM. The DPRM was nominally a Communist country, but under the terms of the
Sangwŏn Agreement which united Communist and Nationalist forces in the War of Liberation, the Menghean People's Army was allowed to operate without ideological oversight as long as it did not interfere in civilian politics. Imperial Menghean Navy holdouts played no real role in the War of Liberation, and so the Navy was much less insulated from politics. It did, however, win the right to command its own coastal defense units, marine landing units, and land-based aviation units, rights which the IMA stripped away from it in 1938. With Communist allies on all of its land borders but hostile navies threatening its entire coast, the DPRM focused on a naval doctrine of "counteroffensive defense," which would involve massed missile attacks on any approaching enemy fleet. Like the Menghean Federal Navy, the Menghean People's Navy planned to rely heavily on green-water and land-based assets to offset its disadvantage in carriers and large surface combatants, but as time went by and its forces grew in size, it became concerned with ways to push the defensive fight further from Menghean shores. This culminated in 1981 with the laying down of the
Haebang, Menghe's first aircraft carrier since 1945.
While its military policy saw rapid and continuous modernization, the DPRM's economic policy was inadequate to support it, especially under the disastrous economic decentralization programs of Ryŏ Ho-jun (1980-1987). On 21 December 1987, a clique of Army officers led by Major General
Choe Sŭng-min seized power in the
Decembrist Revolution, which despite its name was more of an improvised military coup. In 1988, Choe's interim junta formally established the
Socialist Republic of Menghe, today's Menghean government. While nominally socialist, the new regime quickly embarked on a program of
economic reforms intended to revitalize the economy, resulting in something better described as state capitalism or a coordinated market economy. Economic reform did not initially bring political reform: Choe Sŭng-min ruled as a dictator until his death in 2021, amassing a powerful
cult of personality and banning genuine opposition parties. This situation appears to be changing as of 2022; in that year, Chairman Kim Pyŏng-so and Supreme Commander Kang Yong-nam resigned from their posts, and General Secretary Mun Chang-ho launched a package of
nominally democratic reforms, legalizing opposition parties and replacing the self-appointed post of Chairman of the Supreme Council with a more conventional cabinet and Prime Minister.
The Menghean Navy followed a wild trajectory in the post-1987 era. Under Choe's nationalist oversight, it restored the blue-white-blue flag of the Menghean Federal Navy and revived some IMN-era traditions, including the painting of the ship's name on the hull side in big characters. But in terms of actual funding, the Navy faced steep defense cuts in the early 1990s, as the government redirected more funding toward economic development (defense spending in 1987 amounted to 12% of GDP). Thus, during the 1990s the Menghean Navy pivoted toward a leaner but more streamlined force, selling or scrapping large numbers of obsolete surface combatants.
In 2001, as part of a debt forgiveness deal, Menghe relinquished its claims to Dayashina's
Renkaku Islands, opening the way for Dayashina and its allies to legalize more advanced arms sales to Menghe. Thus, the early 2000s saw a major advancement in Menghean ship design, enabled by the sale of systems like the AN/SPY-1 radar and Mk 41 VLS family. 2005 brought another advancement, this time in budgets: during an intervention in the
Ummayan Civil War, Menghean ships clashed with Anglian and Sieuxerrian ones, and although Hallia and Dayashina were able to step in as mediators and avert a large conflict, relations never recovered. Menghean military spending surged, buoyed by a rising threat of war and fueled by the last decade's economic reform and growth. As in the DPRM era, Menghean naval doctrine stressed the use of land-based aviation and mobile missile batteries to tilt the playing field in Menghe's favor when fighting close to home.
The Menghean Navy saw combat again in the 2014
Innominadan Crisis, which allowed Menghe to occupy the southeastern coast of Innominada and thereby set up air and naval bases along the vital Strait of Portcullia. In that conflict, third-party intervention again succeeded in stopping escalation to world war at the 11th hour. There would be no such luck in 2022, when Menghe launched a series of massed attacks on Entente naval forces as a preemptive measure against a perceived invasion force, triggering the Second Pan-Septentrion War (later known as the One-Month War). During this conflict, the Menghean Navy scored a number of triumphs, sinking two carrier battle groups in the first day of fighting; but two more carrier battle groups made it past the Menghean Navy's defensive cordon in the Strait of Portcullia, and fighting in the South Menghe Sea proved costlier than anticipated.
This thread will cover the ships of these many iterations of the Menghean Navy, as well as certain Menghean civilian ships, and perhaps ships of Menghe's allies in the
Namhae Front, especially where those ships are derived from Menghean ones. Because I'm stuck in the infinite cycle of death and rebooth, I'm going to trickle in new images as I become satisfied with them, rather than dumping all my finished ships all at once.
Frequently Asked Questions:
What language is that / You spelled the Korean wrong: After experimenting with conlangs in the past, I decided to more or less adopt Korean as Menghe's language, to save time coming up with ship names and geographic names. I did, however, apply a few twists:
- Because it's an alternate universe, the romanization system is neither South Korea's Revised Romanization nor North Korea's McCune-Reischauer, but "Romaja," a Korean romanization system of my own invention. For example, the famous fast battleship 청도 / 青島 would be written "Cheongdo" in RR or "Ch'ŏngdo" in McR, but in Romaja it is "Chŏngdo." This link explains the rules for converting Hangul components to Latin letters in Romaja.
- Because Menghe is the successor to the region's Sinitic civilization, rather than a former Chinese satellite state, Menghean shows somewhat more Sinitic influences than real-life Korean. Hanja characters (called Gomun in-universe) are still widely used in formal and official settings, including on ship hulls and dedication plaques, and in many cases I substitute less commonly used Korean words with Sinitic etymology, or even Korean readings of Chinese vocabulary terms, for Korean vocabulary words with no Hanja counterpart.
- In rare cases I change a character's Hangul (called Sinmun in-universe) and pronunciation, e.g., 趙 as Cho instead of Jo, 金 as Kim instead of Gim/Gŭm, 开 as Kae instead of Gae, and indeed 孟 as Meng instead of Maeng. Generally these changes turn un-aspirated consonants into aspirated ones but there is no real linguistic rhyme or reason to it apart from personal taste I guess.
How do you say "Menghe"? Two syllables, emphasis on the second, first e like e as in dress, second e like a as in face: Meng-HAY. That's /ˌmɛŋˈheɪ/ for any IPA readers out there. Like "China," "Japan," and "Korea," the English version of the country name was the product of a long game of telephone; in the Menghean language, the country is called Mengguk, Dae Meng, or Menghwa, in increasing levels of formality, with the latter serving as the origin of the Spanish and then English "Menghe."
Why are you mixing NATO and Soviet weapons? See summary above, Menghe shifted its alliance orientations and major military suppliers around 2001.
When are you going to get around to WWII-era ships? I have dozens of outdated WWI and WWII era drawings, but in keeping with the rule I set at the top of this thread, I'm only going to trickle them in as I reboot them one by one... and because I like to do ships of a similar era and role one after another, I anticipate that I'll be working on modern ships for a long time to come.
What's with the weird ship types (DChJ, HO, YD)? This post explains it in more detail than I have space for here. In short, in 1970 the Menghean Navy adopted a ship classification scheme that more closely fits the target ship's role, so rather than the typical "destroyer, frigate, corvette" types, you'll see main force escort ships, medium anti-submarine patrol ships, and large fast missile craft, and so on. In keeping with Shipbucket tradition, the ship class captions use destroyer/frigate/corvette, etc, but the individual ship hull numbers on the row below use the Menghean acronym and (after 1995) the permanent hull number. In most cases the text of the post will explain the ship's full Menghean Navy classification, and any ambiguity or change in Menghean and typical foreign classification of that ship.
---More content coming soon, including flags and maps, but I figured I'd put this up now since it's a decent thread introduction---