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Raxar
Post subject: Re: Federation of CenetPosted: January 11th, 2012, 11:25 pm
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Righto, this time I'm making the hull fint to the weapon system. The basic goal of this ship was to stalk and kill enely battleships, that's why the 16" twin and little else. She needed to be fast to get the heck out of there in case anyone else was around, so I'm thinking nothing larger than 3-4" for secondaries?

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Post subject: Re: Federation of CenetPosted: January 11th, 2012, 11:30 pm
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Raxar wrote:
Righto, this time I'm making the hull fint to the weapon system. The basic goal of this ship was to stalk and kill enely battleships, that's why the 16" twin and little else. She needed to be fast to get the heck out of there in case anyone else was around, so I'm thinking nothing larger than 3-4" for secondaries?
If that's your goal then you're drawing the wrong type of ship. In order to achieve your goal you'll need a battleship or maybe a battlecruiser.
What you're drawing right now would be suitable as a monitor and little else, since it would be slow, cramped, have a small magazine and have little in way of armour. On the upside it would have a shallow draft.

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Post subject: Re: Federation of CenetPosted: January 11th, 2012, 11:42 pm
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Isn't what he described pretty much the conceived role for a battlecruiser?

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Post subject: Re: Federation of CenetPosted: January 11th, 2012, 11:59 pm
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Isn't what he described pretty much the conceived role for a battlecruiser?
No. In Britain battlecruisers were developed as scouts capable for the fleet. That means they had to be able to be able to cruise at high speeds even in bad weather, hence their size. They were fitted with heavy guns so they'd be able to outshoot the opposing fleet's scouting force. They were never intended to be part of the line of battle.

In the US they were supposed to do much the same. However, once battle was joined they would form their own line and try to intersect the enemy battle line in order to disrupt it. (At least that's how I understand it)
And that's also why the Alaska wasn't a Battle Cruiser in USN terms but a Large Cruiser, were as in any other fleet she would have been considered a battle cruiser.

Anyway, the problem with stalking Battleships is that they're all but impossible to sink with one salvo (Magazine hits notwithstanding)
Even if Raxars ship was fast enough to outrun a battleship it won't be able to reliably kill one before the battleship can fire back, and since he can't shoot further he won't really be able to do much.
No, if you want to stalk a battleship there's really only one possibility and that's a submarine.
A full spread of torpedoes will incapacitate, if not outright sink, any battleship, and unlike Raxars ship a battleship doesn't really have any means to counter it with.

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Post subject: Re: Federation of CenetPosted: January 12th, 2012, 12:10 am
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Thank you Thiel and Blackbuck, I will continue this as a monitor.

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Post subject: Re: Federation of CenetPosted: January 13th, 2012, 4:32 am
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Thiel wrote:
No, if you want to stalk a battleship there's really only one possibility and that's a submarine.
A full spread of torpedoes will incapacitate, if not outright sink, any battleship, and unlike Raxars ship a battleship doesn't really have any means to counter it with.
That's dubious, depending on your definition of 'stalk'. As discussed elsewhere, a conventional submarine is strategically immobile when submerged, and far too slow in any case to do much to a battleship. It'd have to be in the right place at the right time (which certainly did and would happen).

Now, if you mean sneaking up on something at anchor, or blundering around bombarding things, then that's a little different.


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Post subject: Re: Federation of CenetPosted: January 13th, 2012, 2:14 pm
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Now, if you mean sneaking up on something at anchor, or blundering around bombarding things, then that's a little different.
That was my primary idea, something like sneaking into gunnery range, letting loose a few salvos and then leave while everyone is trying to figure out what happened.

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Post subject: Re: Federation of CenetPosted: January 14th, 2012, 2:53 pm
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Still prgressing on the monitor, but in the meantime here are some AU guns.
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Post subject: Re: Federation of CenetPosted: February 12th, 2012, 10:26 pm
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First ship done in Photoshop. I have hid a wall with the monitor concept for this hull, so I have done what the Germans did with the Niobe and Ariadne.
This is the CNF [Insert name here] class AA battery. She is armed with 6x2 110mm DP's, and 2x4 30mm AA's. This class was comissioned in 1939 as escorts for Cenet's carriers.
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So far I have 1 air search radar, but I need a surface search one. I also need help with directors and where to put them. These aren't exactly my strongpoints.

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Post subject: Re: Federation of CenetPosted: February 27th, 2012, 1:24 am
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Added WIP Scenario to OP.

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