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Author: | KonPtol [ December 20th, 2014, 1:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hellenian Kingdom |
Have you in mind a MRAP vehicle of Greek origin for your AU nation? |
Author: | odysseus1980 [ December 20th, 2014, 4:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hellenian Kingdom |
Please, I prefer the term "Hellenic" for this AU just for personal reasons. Actually the Tiger Armoured Vehicle (page 29) does have some MRAP capability, due to its V-shaped hull. For full MRAP, yes, I have something in my mind. But is not ready yet to post. Perhaps it will be something like the US Cougar, based on modified Steyr/ELBO chassis. |
Author: | eswube [ December 22nd, 2014, 6:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hellenian Kingdom |
Nice. |
Author: | odysseus1980 [ December 23rd, 2014, 2:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hellenian Kingdom |
Continuing with Conon Class, here is the Mk2: Differences from above: Built : 1966-1973, 12 in Hellenic Kingdom plus 2 in Cyprus Length : 98.5m Displacement: 1,520/1940 tons Propulsion : Speed : 26kn (Mk2A, 29+kn (Mk2B), 30+kn (Mk2C), cruise 15-18kn (diesel) Range : 8400nm at 16kn (diesel) and 900nm at 27kn Complement : 152 (84 as patrol vessel) Armament (differences from Mk1): (Mk2A): 1 X ASROC Mk16 (8 rounds, no reloads) (MK2B/C): 1 X Oto Melara 76/62C Electronics: 1 X Signaal WM-24 targeting radar ESM : DARE-S (later Thomson CSF DR3000A) E/O: ECON Optics Lynceus Mk2C (named from a mythical hero of Hellenic Mythology, famous for his sight-according to the myth, he could see inside trees, land etc. A whole family of hellenic developed E/O sensores features this name under Mk1 to Mk8 versions. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynceus_%28Argonaut%29) Note 1: The Mk2C features a folding extension of hangar to accomodate the larger PZL-Świdnik Mi-2ASW helicopter* and had 2 X DShK HMG 12.7mm instead of M2 Browning. These are still in service, converted to patrol vessels with all ASW equipment removed. Cyprus received also two Mk2B from RHN for free in 1985, which served until 2003. Latter sunk as target ships during exersices on 2006 and 2010. Note 2*: Cyprus received totally around 20 Mi-2 helicopters from Poland from 1968 to 1980 under State-to-State Exchange Program. Four were coverted to ASW in SHAF using the equipment of SA-319 Alouette III. They had TP-2 torpedoes, 2.75" and 5" rockets or even AS-12 missiles. Cypriot National Guard (AU) used 12 Mi-2 for transport or even attack missions (using rockets or AT-3 Sagger missiles), rest 4 units were used by Police. The Mi-2 gradually retired from service in early 2000's, last airframes from Police. In real world Cyprus did had Mi-2 (2-3 airframes were used for transport duties in 1980's-1990's). Note 3*: Black Sea Navy Command had total 8 of Conon Mk2, 4 with ASROC and 4 with Adis I. |
Author: | odysseus1980 [ December 26th, 2014, 2:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hellenian Kingdom |
Ending with Conon Mk3, which is a completely different design from Mk1/Mk2, despite sharing design name. Also know as "Messimvria Class", this frigate was designed for replacing the old Nearhos Class destroyers in Black Sea. The design is credited to a naval arcitect called Evgenios Alargov from East Rumelia in 1967, has some influence from original 1954 design from Spiros Vasilliades but is more close to US Garcia/Brooke in size. Hre designer studied in Athens Naval University and worked in Atelies Helleniques et Chantier Naval Basiliades in construction for several years. Vasiliades himshelf approved Alargov designs for a large frigate in January 1967, some months before his death from cancer in June. First four ships built in Messimvria Shipyard (named from the town), with hangar for two Alouette III or HC-270A (also could the the HC-160, some where modified to ASW with Omera ORB-31 radar) and heavy ASW/ASuW armament. Two were AAW variants, with Standard missiles in their ASROC reloader and modified Mk112 GMLS. Interest from Ministry of Defense in Athens was great and Alargov himeshelf took the train from Messimvria to Athens for a demonstration of the design to Hellenic Defence and Security Council. The result was the Salamis Class frigate, which built in Eleusis Shipyard (6 units for Aegean, 2 for Cyprus). Interest from abroad also was great, since the frigate was offered in very good price and with a variety of armament. Finally, 4+2 ships exported to Argentina and 8 with different armament and electronis to India. Final variant was the Christophis Class OPV (or 680 Class) for Hellenic Coast Guard, built in two batches until 1992. Additional 2 units built under lisense in Cyprus in mid 1980's. |
Author: | eswube [ December 26th, 2014, 2:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hellenian Kingdom |
This AU is going nicely. |
Author: | bezobrazov [ December 26th, 2014, 7:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hellenian Kingdom |
What's the difference between the two last posted vessels. There appear to be none as far as I can see, and the last one professes to be a modernization... |
Author: | odysseus1980 [ December 26th, 2014, 7:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Hellenian Kingdom |
The upper has 3D SPS-39 radar, while the lower has the MARAC M311C, a hellenic evolution of the old LW-03 with electronics from early LW-08. Both Dutch radars were built under license in HLK. As for missiles, the Adis IIB had about 100km range, while later C/D variants reached 120 and 140km. The -A variant had the fixed wings of MM38 and 85km range. Also, F 446 had the WM-27 for gun control and sole SAM channel for Sea Sparrow, while F 08 has twin STIR 180 and is much better in AAW, offering two SAM channels for medium area defense capability (45km range for SAM-26B). Equador does has MM40 Exocet in real life and received also Adis II (both from RHN stock and new missiles). |
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