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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 26th, 2012, 6:33 am
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Placing the ASW mortar amidships, facing aft, is unconventional, but is a suitable solution when restricted by the ships design. In the Royal Navy, they used to place the Squid ASW mortar on the forecastle, like on the Bay and Castle classes, but after the war it was found that the mortar could fire dead ahead even when placed on the stern, hence all post war designs had the mortar there, like the Type 15 conversions, and later the position of Limbo. The Bofors ASW was also placed amidships in the Visby class frigates when converted from destroyers in the 1950's
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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 26th, 2012, 10:57 am
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Thank you, Novice, for a very comprehensive and informative reply. Especially the attached picture will clarify it quite clearly! I agree with you on all points, needless to say!

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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 26th, 2012, 4:59 pm
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Novice wrote:
Placing the ASW mortar amidships, facing aft, is unconventional, but is a suitable solution when restricted by the ships design. In the Royal Navy, they used to place the Squid ASW mortar on the forecastle, like on the Bay and Castle classes, but after the war it was found that the mortar could fire dead ahead even when placed on the stern, hence all post war designs had the mortar there, like the Type 15 conversions, and later the position of Limbo. The Bofors ASW was also placed amidships in the Visby class frigates when converted from destroyers in the 1950's
True, but like you said, they still lobbed their bombs forward. It doesn't look like you could do that on the Erikrike ships, but we've already covered that and now it feels like, well, dead horse etc. But thanks :)


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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 26th, 2012, 6:33 pm
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Here's the first draft of the Leinonet class DL. I hold some (probably presumptious) hopes this drawing will gradute me to the "adult"-forum. I'm actually quite happy with it, and hope you all are.

So, the obligatory background story.
After WW2 it was judged that the era of the battleship, and by extension, the CDS, was over. All of the CDS had been mothballed by the end of the war, and the flagship of the navy was no longer a big-gun ship. A new focus towards the l'jeune ecolé was introduced, and as part of this, it was decided that the post-war navy should mainly consist of a force of large, strong destroyers, with any older cruisers providing different support roles.
To lead these destroyer squadrons, the
Leionet class DL was designed. It was very large for a destroyer(a bit above 5 700 tonnes), and an expensive design, but also one of the best ship designs built for the ErRn. With an armament of four 140mm/55 M/51, a new fully automatic design capable of almost 30 rpm AA fire, she would outclass any other destroyer she would face, and have the armour to boot. A hefty torpedo battery was installed(two quint. mounts), and early plans was to arm them with SSMs, though this wouldn't happen untill the late 60's.
Entering service in 1956 and 57,
Leionet and her sistership the Kronorna would soon prove themselves as capable ships worthy of their positions as flag ships.
Being very costly to drive, however, the ships would rarely be fitted at the same time(happening only four times during their 30-years long career), and would be retired in 1983 and 85.
Leionet was sold for scrap, but Kronorna was preserved, and stands to this day as the pride of the Erikrike Maritime Museum*.
*Yes, I know, highly unlikely that such a small nation would be able to preserve such a ship, but I really wanted to save one!
Hope you like it! :D
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EDIT: Further updated.
Think I've seen this one before - very similar to my Horn class DDLs

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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 26th, 2012, 7:42 pm
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Now that you mention it...
I can guarantee however, that I weren't trying to copy you. While I've seen this design earlier, I never thought about it when designing the Leionet.
But I guess it's natural, when you think about it: two designs with similar concepts, both based on buffing up the Halland class destroyers. There are only so many ways to do it.


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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 26th, 2012, 8:01 pm
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Im curious on your destroyer KHT why the armored belt? I thought destroyers didn't usually have them especially post war or is it not one and/or I'm missing something here

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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 26th, 2012, 8:26 pm
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Well, she's essentially supposed to be able to take her own punch and throw it back. With the armor belt, she can nullify most destroyer-sized shells and shred her opponents with relative impunity, as long as they are destroyer-sized vessels, which is after all what she's supposed to counter.
No other destroyers will have an armor belt though.


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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 26th, 2012, 8:41 pm
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Ahh ok I think the idea makes sense I just haven't seen it very often

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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 29th, 2012, 6:26 pm
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So, after about three years of interest in naval warfare, about two of making own designs, and a half of being an active shipbucketeer, I've designed my first missile armed ships.
Shocking, I know. :shock:
Thes might not be a top-notch design, and I realize that some elements are perhaps not entirely thought-through(the most striking would be a TAK120(albeit a modified version) being mounted on a ship from the early 80's, not to mention it might be quite superflous with it considering the hefty SSM battery, but heck, I liked the idea. I'm not used to missile-era ships.
On to the story!
As it was becomming obvious that the old destroyers from the 1950's was growing obsolete, a new ship of comparable firepower was desired to replace them. For this purpose the two ships of the Iärvheten class Missile Gunboats were built. Armed with a modified version of the TAK120 gun and eight missiles of the brand-new RBS15 system, these ships packed a heavy punch should combat - of any kind except ASW - ensue.
Entering service in 1985, these two ships(
Iärvheten and Tapperheten) would prove quite adequate replacements for the DLs of the Leionet class. Rebuilt in 1998, with both guns being replaced by the newer 57mm SAK Mk.3 and having radar replaced, along with rebuilds of the superstructure to allow for a smaller radar signature, these ships served onto 2003, when they were both sold for scrap.
A third ship of this class was built, the
Dristigheten, but was instead built with a stronger focus towards ASW. She served onto2005, a meager achievement, considering she entered service three years after her half-sisters*.
* I'll try and make this ship to at some occassion. Nobody knows when that'll be though.
Hope you like it! :D
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I'll be posting a small missile boat from the 70's soon, basicaly a ripoff off the IRL Swedish Hugin class patrol boats.


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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 29th, 2012, 8:18 pm
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I like it a lot maybe add some MANPADS thats it

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