Shipbucket

thanks for the comment.


- I can add 0.5 meter to it's depth, I will get close to Kirov's depth. I reduced the depth slightly due to it have a much bigger beam then Kirov class.
- Those forward missile launcher aren't so deep as a VLS. and there is enough volum up there. it's the size of the ship, that make it look impossible. but put a frigate next to it, and a VLS on the is as far up as that, with even less space then that,


- the markings are only for indications of the silo it's self. I haven't completed the top view, yet (that is my excuse)

I'm not happy about the layoute of the helicopter deck, either. But I'll put it a little bit on back burner, and come back to it a little later with a fresh mind.
Thanks. it started as something between Kirov and Virginia class (CGN-38 class). The I started to think, if I lift the hull a little... what do I really need on deck, then I started with only space for 1 helicopter and a missile launcher+lift, then I went, she is so big, need 2, no more.


side note! The idea about the sonar cable, is that it is something she always are just drag around, when she is operating under a certain speed. Where the computer do the same as on Russian Sonar, it mark out things of interest, for the sonar operators.

I think the forward vertical missile launchers would be unmaintainable if they fit at all, and I'm not sure why the flight deck overhangs extend so far down--it seems like they would slam unpleasantly in even moderate seas. Sure would stink if your one elevator suffered a mechanical fault. The aft Mk 26 makes any sort of deck park kind of exciting (same with jettisoning failed missiles). In a scenario where you've mastered VLS of both larger and smaller missiles, shipping any Mk 26 at all must just be considered artist's choice--it doesn't really make much sense.

Those comments aside, it's thought-provoking.

Hull depth doesn't concern me, for what it's worth.

Thank for the comment.
we are now 2 vs 1 on that. Hm! I'll take a closer look at that. see if I can do some adjustment, or move them aft, either toward helicopter deck or to the sides.
I'll look into that. at the moment, the only thing I can think about is to sacrifice some of the flight deck beam. or have the structure under it angle more inward and thus sacrifice some internal space
I am also not so happy about the entire flight deck layoute. with the size it have, I am considering having elevator forward and aft. I did also make the elevator bigger then it have to. I do wonder of I should give the forward elevator, and hatch.
I was thinking about that to. originally I wanted to do something crazy like have all three forward, with two a beam... but that would be pointless. What I can do, is replace it with my Revolver-VLS, since it's more of an contained systems, and light weight enough to be mounted to one side and flight deck on the opposite side.

Glad I at least could do that. The GMLS give some challenges, sometimes I am wondering if I should just skip GMLS age and go directly for VLS.
yeah it's more to a hull, then just looking at depth

Testing out a new layoute!

What I have done:
- Removal of aft GMLS
- slightly larger helicopter deck
- two lifts now
- Adjusted location of R-VLS placement, slightly
- Adjusting placement of R-VLS-L (light) (position, placement, amount in location) (might do some more adjustment on that)
- adjustment of 30mm guns location (made them into a cluster of 3, to maximize the effect, in area. for a system that will not have the same effectiveness as a Phalanx)

What I am considering:
- Still not happy with the flight deck, but I do like the placement of the lift better, I do wonder if a should go with one large aft and a small lift forward. since large helicopter most likely will use aft deck, while medium and small can use both sides.,
- aft section of the ship, feel a bit weak defended (close inn)

compared to Kirov class, it has less ammunition/weapon, but she have more aviation capacity compared to Kirov class. They are probably good enough to equalize each other, to a decree, but that's speculation (when you get 20+ P-700 Granit after you... you have problems)

It looks... impressive.

Large update!

Have done some changes, mainly to helicopter deck and some minor relocation of systems.

Build and classified as a Heavy cruiser, but after the first few naval exercises, reclassified as a: Guided-missile-helicopter battlecruiser


Radars: mostly Caledonian radars and some lisens-build radar/electronics, with some adjustment.
Weapons: mostly Caledonia and some lisens-build with modification.
Helicopters: Usually: 2 heavy, 4 medium and 4 small. (4 small helicopters work in tandem with the hip and medium helicopter, when hunting submarine and provide as an extra firing plattform, but main task is to assist amphibious operation or provide local protection in the area the ship is operating)




Some off the weapons used on this ship.
From top:
- Large dual revolver VLS-system (12+8 cell), outer for AAW-weapons inner for larger ASuW-weapons
- Small VLS-system (4 cell): for big punch ASuW-weapon that are capable to carry large conventional warhead, physical warhead or small nuke. Can fly direct (short range), but most of the time is used in a sort of ballistic trajectory.
- decoy-system (5-cell)
- short range missile/rocket pack (ASW/ASuW/AAW), manual reload able while at sea. Can fire guided and non-guided in addition to wired at a later date
- 30 mm single barrel high velocity, carousel feed fast firing machine gun/cannon



I do wonder what type of performance I can expect from the ships electronics/radars/sonars and what type of capability they have
and what type of future upgrade it can have, some off them to solve various problems

While the Large Sherif class was 263 meter long and extremely expensive to build, the Caledonia Navy asked there shipyard to design and build a shorter version of Sherif class. The result was a ship identical with Sherif class, but a shorter hull and smaller helicopter deck. The new class was called Lambda class and was 231 meter long.

The biggest difference:
- smaller helicopter deck
- single elevator to small bellow deck hanger with service facility (bellow deck hangar: 1 or 2 heavy and 1 or up to 3 medium helicopters)
- Hangar on deck with space for up to 3 helicopters, but usually have 2 helicopters always ready
- aft GMLS launcher, It was different from ship to ship, some of them had GMLS and some had Mk-112 Matchbox
- 40 mm replacing 76 mm (note guns will be liftet a little or moved to hangar roof, thus the aft reactor will be moved more forward.
- Two powerplant solution: 2 large reactors or 1 large and 1 small (submarine) reactor.

done with the MLU version of Lambda class!

MLU of the Nuclear Heavy cruiser force of the Caledonian Navy

By the late 1990 to early 2000, Lambda class and Sherif class was closing into there midlife and re-fuling periode. The Admiralty decided that it would be to expensive to operate Sherif class and Lambda class at the same time. And the MLU needed for Sherif class, would be to expensive for the value they get in return. But Lambda class was to be upgraded and partially rebuild/redesigned, for a new era.

New light carrier would replace some of the task performed by Sherif class, while the destroyers and frigates would take over the other roles. Also the Navy's strategy was changing to focus more around smaller vessel, and less relay on large combatant, with smaller combatant, the Navy could cover a larger area then with a few big combatant, but at the same time the Navy couldn't deny the message sendt, by parking a large combatant close to any country's port.

Lambda class MLU

Of Caledonia Navy's Heavy cruiser, only Lambda class was to be upgraded. all other nuclear heavy cruiser was to retire early, to free up resources. Lambda class new role is to no longer be an escort for carriers, but a force by it self, in it's own battle group. Thus the Admiralty gave the Navy's "research and strategy", task to develop a new design on the Lambda class, with following requirement:

- Independent operation, with firepower in all teater.
- improved missile system
- improved electronics
- Improvement to powerplant to reduce operation cost
- upgrade to sonars
- new armament
- Increased automation, to reduce crew


What R&S come up with was almost a new class, thus they called the new version of Lambda class for the Mark 2. The class was devided up in several departments, each with there own budget, what they did:
- replacing GMLS with VLS
- replacing some of the Carousel VLS with Mark 92 type L VLS, for ASuW weapons
- Replaced the entire radar and combat system for a new and stronger system. Of all the things done to the class, including new reactors, this was the most expensive undertaking, but in return they got a much more powerful ship
- The new combat system gave the class ability to fully control all weapon system on any ships in the navy, so long they are running the same system. What a ship 100 miles away see, Lambda class do also see.
- new improved reactors, more efficient.
- new diesel generators (they wanted to replace them with jet turbines, but cost prevented such an ekstensiver redesign of auxiliary engine rooms!)
- Automation on almost all systems. Reactor, guns, missiles, sonars, radars, etc. thus the crew could be reduced in peacetime.

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Class:Lambda class "Mark 2"[/b]
Builders: Havok Heavy industries; Rambert Naval shipyard
Operators: Caledonia Navy, 3th, 4th and 6th Battle squadron
Build: 1977 (1980)-1992
MLU: 1998-2004; 2000-2005; 2004-2009
Ordered: 5
Build: 5 (2 never finished)
MLU: 3
in reserve: 2
Active: 3
Retired: 2
Moto: "Protector"
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Type: Heavy guided missile cruiser, Nuclear
Displacement: 22,000 tons standard; 27,000 tons full load
Length: 231.50 meter (759 feet)
Beam: 29,56 meter (97 feet)
Draft: Hull: 8,83 meter (29 feet); Sonar: 14,02 meter (46 feet)
Propulsion: 2 X HC3N Reactors powering 2 propulsion turbines powering 2 electric motors and 2 small electric motors: 150,000 shp.
4 x Diesel generator mounted forward and aft, port and starboard. to increase the ships electricity production but also function as backup.
Speed: Officially in excess of 31 knots
Range: Classified, Unlimited
Expected reactor life: 40+ years
Complement: Due to automation, reduced to 450 in peactime, life raft for up to 1500

Sensors and processing systems

Combat system:
- HALIAR 6 Combats system
- DELAR 3 Combat system (backup)

Radars:
- ACX3-A: Long range 3D radar (multi function, Search and target, illuminate)
- ACX3-F: Light Short range 3D radar (Multi function, navigation, Search, flight deck control)
- ACE5 and ACE 7: passive 2D radar
- SD3-F: Secondary 3D radar
- Cf11 long Range Navigation radar
- 3 x of the shelf standard navigation radar
- 2 large and 2 small illumination radars (due to this ship can take control of all weapon system in the fleet, so having the extra guidance is always good to have!)
- Several Communications systems

Sonars:

- Type-3402-D Havoc: Upgraded Heavy sonar (active-passive) (extremely powerful, limited in operation during peace time, due to it's power)
- Type- 2811-Sonic: light sonar (active-passive) (The sonar that is always in use)
- Towed cable sonar, (length: classified; detection method: sound, wave, magnetism, radiation, electronic)

Electronic warfare and decoys:
- Mark 5, decoy launcher: ASW/AAW
- Nulka derivative
- 2 quad, grenade depth charger launcher

Armament:

Missiles:
- 3 x Mk41 VLS, 64 cell
- 4 x Type-28 R-VLS twin Carousel (firing standard NATO-AAW missiles + Caledonia AAW missiles and ASuW missiles) (ASuW missiles from the inner carousel, since it's a full lenght)
- 4 x Mark 92 type L: 6 cell VLS capable to fire large VLS (loaded with NSM)
- 8 x short in defense missile launcher
- 3 x RAM

Guns:
- 6 x Fast Forty/70 Type15
- a number of stored HMG, mortar and rocket launcher.

Torpedoes and others:
- 2 x twin light weight torpedo launcher (can fire electronic warfare torpedo)
- 2 x twin heavy weight torpedo launcher (can fire electronic warfare torpedo) (fire standard torpedo and ASW missile) (can fire nuclear warhead torpedo)

Armor: 70-80mm plating around reactor, with Kevlar over vital areas. Composite armor protection over vital area including reactor area. Splinter protection.
(reactor compartment can have it walls filled up with water or other type of fluid)

Aircraft carried: Normal: 2 heavy; 3 medium Flight deck build to handle Chinook or similar.

Extremely incredible ..as always

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Uants class

Caledonia Navy was in need of a class of submarines for territorial operation, between the many Islands of Caledonia. The class was to be a submarine that had more endurance then the smaller Diesel electric submarines, had the necessary firepower to attack targets both on land and on surface, but as well under water. One of the biggest must be even more hard to detect then previous submarines in the fleet and take it to a new level. There was also a requirement for easier maintenance and easier to do upgrades.

What come out was a Submarine class that the navy classified more as an tactical submarines than a territorial defence submarines in there books. With advance sensores and sonars, the submarine was almost in it self a towed sonar/sensor, but with addition to a towed sonar that could work both in shallow and deep water, the submarine was really effective in findings it's targets. The submarin had an additional tactic, it had it'æs own dive team, that could connect the submarine while under water up to coastal sensors and thus get data from all of them.

Part of the submarines tactics was that the commanding crew and to a degree the crew, was informed more about situations that going around and the submarine had a more free and open role in the Navy, each submarine worked alone and was never attached to any fleet, but they could attach them self to any fleet, even if that fleet or group know about it or not.
- As the Admiral of the 6th fleet commented once: "We have no idea where they are at any moment, but they are always at the right place at the right time. There have been so many times where one of them could suddenly appear next to us, wanting or shall I say demand, supplies"

- During a military exercise one of the submarines got nicked: "The snicky bastard"

When it come to armament, the only unique things with the class, other than a flexible VLS, it carried two almost similar torpedo type, the Navy argumentet with that both torpedo had different quality in different environment, something they was very keen on.


There was interest from other countries for the class, but they Navy denied, with the reason that this class is not to be exported, due to it's classified status.

The class will be build over 2 batches, the first batch would be upgraded at a later point.

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Name: Uants class
Operators: Caledonia Navy
Nick: "snicky bastard!" (unofficial)
Built: 2018-2035
In Commision: 2023
Ordered: 12
Built: 4
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Type: Submarine (tactical)
Displacement: +-3000 tons
Length: 81,23 meters
Beam: 10,2-10,3 meter
Draught: 7-9 meter
Propulsion: AIP + 2 diesel engines
Speed: More than 25 knots
Complements ?
Sensors and sonars:
Classified

Armament: Tigerfish
DM2A4
Sub launched NSM
VLS that can fire conventional missiles and tactical nukes.