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Post subject: Re: The Isle of California LiveriesPosted: February 21st, 2013, 3:09 am
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Here we get into the realm of the AU never-were. IIP&O was in the process of lobbying the Imperial government to allow both the Concorde-B and the 2707 to fly (without manual reversion) when the models were cancelled. Without either model going into production, the delivery options (10 on Condcorde-B and 6 for 2707) were allowed to lapse. Rendered here are both aircraft in IIP&O livery. One can only imagine the luxury they would have brought to trans-Pacific travel.

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Edit: Fun fact, Any Concordes in IIP&O service would have 3 wide seating.
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Because in this universe the Shah of Iran never fell, the Iran Air order for Concordes was never cancelled. IIP&O, wanting a supersonic airliner, purchased the remaining 3 Concorde-A airframes for the following three routes: Wajuk - Penang - Chennai; Wajuk - Singapore - Guangzhou; & Wajuk - Singapore - Bangkok. This gets the production line for the Concorde to the longer ranged Concorde-B. From there, IIP&O orders 13 of these aircraft to serve the Imperial 'spine' routes of Shanghai - Ternate - Maya Thakurti; and Maya Thakurti - Trincomalee - Antisiranana - Dar-es-Salaam - Bandar-e-Abbas, as well as the Maya Thakurti - Honolulu - SEA-TAC line. With 16 Concordes, IIP&O becomes one of, if not the largest operator of the type around the world. A map of the routes can be found here

However, because the longer-ranged Concorde-B gets built, there are a total of 36 orders for this type from around the world, bringing the total Concorde production to 58 airframes (4 pre-production airframes, 2 production test frames, 16 Production Concorde-A airframes, and 36 Concorde B airframes). Most of these are scattered about in two and three aircraft fleets among the world's airlines, but four of them are in service with Virgin Atlantic. As a historical note, these four aircraft ran for four years on a special route: London - Thule - Anchorage - Tokyo. Seats on these flights cost upwards of $30,000 and were always booked (this is during the Japanese property boom of the late 80s). The stops in Thule and Anchorage were for refueling, and fuel was delivered to Thule using the one ship that could do so year round - SS Manhattan, which was saved from her historic fate here by virtue of being how Branson is able to corner the market for fuel at Thule.

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Post subject: Re: The Isle of California LiveriesPosted: February 21st, 2013, 5:20 am
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Very Impressive! Great Job and hoping to see more!

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Post subject: Re: The Isle of California LiveriesPosted: February 21st, 2013, 8:56 am
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Post subject: Re: The Isle of California LiveriesPosted: February 23rd, 2013, 1:36 am
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Post subject: Re: The Isle of California LiveriesPosted: February 23rd, 2013, 5:45 am
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Following the revocation of the Type Certificate by Airbus in the early 2000s, IIP&O doesn't want to give up their Concorde service, and requests that Vickers-Karuna start supplying spare parts. Airbus then starts to object, but finds that the design work for the wings on the A310s and some of the wing construction were done by a V-K subsidiary (Hawker Siddeley), and V-K can get all A310s globally grounded. This never happens, and Airbus drops the lawsuits, allowing V-K to issue a second, semi-official type certificate for the aircraft. While this certificate isn't valid in the EU, USA, or Japan, it is valid in as many counties as the Callies could convince either diplomatically, or through bribes.

Figure 1: Map of remaining Concorde Routes (note that CNJ is the real-world stand-in for DWI, the Airport that serves the Californian Capital):
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With a sudden surplus in aircraft (all of the aircraft not going to museum or being destroyed by Air France), IIP&O is able to expand their fleet to help extend it's life to at least 2025. What is not initially expected, is that with this surplus, and the Kingdom of Hawaii accepting the new Type Certificate, Hawaiian Airlines purchases a small number (3-4, certainly no more than 5) Concorde-Bs to operate on service down to the Empire.

Seen here, is the probable last new livery the Concorde will ever be seen in:
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Post subject: Re: The Isle of California LiveriesPosted: February 23rd, 2013, 11:05 am
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Isn't overland routes a bit of a waste? AFAIK the Concorde was only allowed to fly supersonic over water.

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Post subject: Re: The Isle of California LiveriesPosted: February 23rd, 2013, 12:31 pm
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I think that I have the replacement for your 767/757 fleet...

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Post subject: Re: The Isle of California LiveriesPosted: February 23rd, 2013, 2:15 pm
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Thiel wrote:
Isn't overland routes a bit of a waste? AFAIK the Concorde was only allowed to fly supersonic over water.
The Russians and the Chinese (in the Republic of China here) as well as the Kazakhs allow the over-flights at supersonic speeds. The exact routings are different to allow for the avoidance of major cities.
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I think that I have the replacement for your 767/757 fleet... <Snip>
The Isle of California takes place in it's own universe, and Voyager isn't interested in any cross-AU pollination. I appreciate the thought, but Hawaiian Air is going to end up with Boeing or VK aircraft.

They are likely to be one of the these two for the 767 replacement:

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(The much, much more likely aircraft at this point)
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And this for the 757 replacement:

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