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bezobrazov wrote:

It still looks very awkward and non-functional.
My suggestion is that you simply don't try and pack as much weapons as you've tried. It simply doesn't fit! The hull is too cramped and has a too small displacement for such. So, scrap the SSM:s (not available during the time-period in question anyway, and not enough beam margin to fit them.), either lower by one deck the helo deck or, much more preferred, just ditch it, and lower the SPG-49/SPW-2 pylons considerably. Raise the SPS-39 Frescan lattice mast also quite considerably - and then we can begin to talk balance! Oh, and also ditch the whatever it's supposed to be radar on the lowermost position of your foremast; it's redundant!

Another thing: the Asroc you've got, besides being very heavy at a narrow point with little bouyancy at the stern, will be swamped by seas at anything, but moderate speeds, therefore it's practically useless. My advice, if you care, dump it overboard!

-Italians had in mind to put VL Polaris missiles on this hull,but missiles never delivered.Please read the history of Cruiser Giusseppe Garibaldi.
-SSMs:If you search my thread,I give information about them (Adis I),They are operational since 1969.Also Mesimvria frigates of Black Sea Command had 8 side-position Adis I as Elli.
-Oklahoma City was about 1 meter wider in a hull about the same long.Thats why I wrote about the Mk12H,a narrower version.
-Helipad:In USS Oklahoma City (is there in old invisionfree forum of Shipbucket,you can also search for it as CLG-5 Oklahoma City) the helipad was at the stern and it could be used only when Mk12 was empty!
-These cruisers never left East Mediterranean and underwater they had three stabilising wings (look in Konon underwater hull).
-If you look in Oklahoma City,the missile deck has the same height:I copy-pasted from there one small part to take the height for the Talos Missiles.Also US cruiser had a heavy height find radar plus a heavy superstucture below it.Elli did have the same top height but the 3D radar she did not need the heightfinder.All this structure definetely weighted several tons in Oklahoma City.
-Please look radars of Guissepe Garibaldi.I can send you link if you cannnot find it.

I have taken a look at the garibaldy. and at the oklamahoma city. this was the conclusion I came with:
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keep in mind these 2 things as well: both your 'references' were rebuild ships, which are often less then ideal. I don't know if yours is an rebuild as well......
also, 1m on 20 meters is quite a lot, for balance.
and of course these only add to the remarks already made by others, as of course some stuff just won't fit. with the weapons arrangement something could be done, the radars and directors won't fit/work though.
EDIT: just rereading a bit: you SSM is available in 1969, the garibaldi was decommissioned in 1971. which year are you representing with this ship???

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Please, Odysseus, do not pretend to lecture me on US naval armament. I have a pretty firm grasp on those particulars! I do agree with ace about his remarks, you ought to take heed of his advice; he is very accomplished and knowledgeable about the various systems. Also, in 1969, there were only two effective SSMs: the Soviet Styx and the Swedish RB08!

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bezobrazov wrote:

And Israeli Gabriel, which was not deployed yet, but was successfully fired in 1965, from a launch rail on the destroyer Eilath (BTW yesterday marked the 44th "anniversary" of her sinking by Styx missiles fired from two small Egyptians FACs)

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Yes, Novice, quite right, but as you pointed out, were not operational yet. (quite understandable considering Israel's state of affairs at the time!)

Elli is as decommisioned in 1980.Adis I missile is fictional (I mention this).Now,Acalanceloet,thanks a lot for your comments,I will try to fix my cruiser.

Better Now?Also I edited the information about Adis I missile.

As ACE... said the aft radar has still blind spot aft. to fix that, you must have it higher up, over the superstructure, I think is that ACE... meant

Again, that can easily be fixed by simply removing the heliopad, since with a Talos mounting (which FYI was never offered for sale to any Allies; Terrier was substituted instead!) it's getting pretty fried anyhow. That way the directors can be substantially lowered. Besides, they need not necessarily be clean above eachother. It's fine to have them slightly co-incide with oneother too.

that enheightened radar won't work. first of all it adds to the top weight, second it is now in the center of the smoke from the funnel.
all the other top weight issues are still there.
and bezo has an point: I would replace the thalos with terrier. especially because it has lighter directors and an different magazine, that might fit better. only the date would be kept in mind, also some of your radars seem of later date then the others.

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