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Author: | reytuerto [ March 22nd, 2020, 2:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2 |
Wow! The modification of the County is so radical tha I only can guess the hull and the forward funnel of it! And your modified Type 22 is very appealing! Excellent! Cheers! |
Author: | Hood [ April 28th, 2020, 10:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2 |
Type 26 Fearless Class HMS Foxhound, 2020 In the late 1990s the search for a Type 22 and Type 23 replacement began as a new ASW and General Purpose Frigate. The planned Type 25 was cancelled but work continued on a less radical solution. The result was the Type 26, it had ancestry from the Type 23 but was heavily influenced by the development of the Type 45 destroyers and relies on the CAMM missile family to provide area and point defence and has a land attack capability with SCALP-M and Spear-ER missiles. Sixteen ships are planned for completion by 2025. Drawing Notes: I could not resist stealing Blackbuck's excellent latest stealth Type 23 development, it looked perfect for the job. I have made a few changes and tweaks to suit. HMS Fearless F120 commissioned July 2016 HMS Foxhound F121 commissioned September 2017 HMS Firedrake F122 commissioned May 2018 HMS Fame F123 commissioned November 2018 HMS Fury F124 commissioned April 2019 HMS Fortune F125 commissioned November 2019 HMS Foremost F126 commissioned May 2020 HMS Faithful F127 commissioned October 2020 HMS Foil F128 commissioned April 2021 HMS Falmouth F129 commissioned December 2021 HMS Ferocious F130 commissioned May 2022 HMS Falkland F131 commissioned November 2022 HMS Fylde F132 commissioned March 2023 HMS Forth F133 commissioned October 2023 HMS Fox F134 commissioned April 2024 HMS Firebrand commissioned September 2024 Dimensions: 469ft 6in (oa), 437ft 6in (wl) length; 67ft beam; 17ft draught (over sonar dome), 14ft (hull). Machinery: One 48,000shp Rolls-Royce MT30 gas turbines plus four MTU Type 20V 4000 M53B diesel generators, two electric motors Speed: 31kts (deep and clean) Range: 7,000 nautical miles at 18kts Displacement: 6,750 tons standard Armament: 1x 76mm OTO Super Rapid gun mount, fire-control by 1x EOGCS 2x4 container-launchers for Kongsberg NSM SSMs 2x8-cell Sylver A70 VLS for Naval-SCALP cruise-missiles or Sea Meteor SAMs 4x8-cell Sylver A50 VLS for quad-packed CAMM, CAMM-ER SAMs or quad-packed Spear-ER SSMs 2x1 30mm MSI-DSI Sigma 30 gun mounts - also fitted with 5-round Martlet anti-boat missiles 2x1 25mm MSI-DSI Sigma 25 gun mounts 1x Starstreak CIWS mounts with 24x Starstreak SAMs and/or Martlet SSMs 2x2 12.75in lightweight A/S torpedo tubes for Stingray Aircraft: Hangar for up to; 2x Westland Merlin HM.2 or 2x Leonardo Wildcat HM.2 or 2x Leonardo SW-4MU UCAV (capable of carrying out recon and strike using Martlet or Sea Venom ASMs) Radars: BAe Artisan 3-D search radar 1x Type 1009 navigation radars 4x Type 1010 phased-array surface search radars 4x Gatekeeper EO/IR sensors Type 2091 bow-mounted multi-function sonar Type 2087 towed sonar EW/Defences: Thales UAT(16) ESM 2x Type 2199 Pillbox EW jammers 6x MAWS/DAS 2x12 Centurion decoy launchers 1x8 Type 2170 UAD anti-torpedo decoy launchers 4x DLF(3) floating decoy launchers Type 24 Eclipse Class The littoral mission was handled by the Type 24 class which were updated during the 2010s with Artisan radar and received CAMM SAMs and Spear land-attack missiles replacing Sea Wolf and updated cannon and self-defence dispensers. |
Author: | Blackbuck [ April 28th, 2020, 3:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2 |
How very humbling |
Author: | Hood [ May 2nd, 2020, 10:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2 |
Type 25 Future Surface Combatant Developed during the late 1990s and early 2000s as an advanced replacement for the Type 22 and Type 44 frigates. The roles were for air defence, anti-ship, land-attack and expeditionary force support. The design was to be highly innovative with a trimaran hull, pumpjet propulsion and stealthy features. The layout gave a stable and compact platform, its width allowing hangars and internal boat bays as well as Sylver VLS launchers along the centreline. The flight deck was large enough to land a Chinook and could also be used to carry cargo containers. The combat system was based on that of the Type 45 and capability was very similar. This high-cost solution was approved in 1999 but cancelled in 2004 just before the first ship was due to be laid down and the cheaper Type 26 programme was brought into existence instead. Elements of the propulsion went into the Type 26 but rumours in 2020 were that a smaller derivative might replace the Type 24s in the late 2020s. Dimensions: 410ft (oa), 381ft 6in (wl) length; 105ft beam; 22ft draught (over sonar dome), 15ft 6in (hull). Machinery: One Rolls-Royce MT30 gas turbine plus four MTU diesel generators, four waterjets Speed: 32kts (deep and clean) Range: 7,000 nautical miles at 18kts Displacement: 6,500 tons standard Armament: 1x 76mm OTO Super Rapid gun mount, fire-control by 1x Lirod Mk.2 2x4 container-launchers for Harpoon SSMs 4x8-cell Sylver A70 VLS for Naval-SCALP cruise-missiles or Aster SAMs 4x8-cell Sylver A50 VLS for quad-packed CAMM, CAMM-ER SAMs or quad-packed Spear-ER SSMs 4x1 30mm MSI-DSI 30 gun mounts 2x1 25mm MSI-DSI Sigma 25 gun mounts 2x Starstreak CIWS mounts with 24x Starstreak SAMs 2x2 12.75in lightweight A/S torpedo tubes for Stingray Aircraft: Hangar for up to; 2x Westland Merlin HM.2 or 2x Leonardo Wildcat HM.2 Radars: BAe Sampson multi-function radar 1x Type 1009 navigation radars 4x Type 1010 phased-array surface search radars 4x Gatekeeper EO/IR sensors Type 2091 bow-mounted multi-function sonar Type 2087 towed sonar EW/Defences: Thales UAT(16) ESM 1x Type 2199 Pillbox EW jammer 2x Seagnat decoy launchers 4x DLF(3) floating decoy launchers |
Author: | Hood [ May 4th, 2020, 7:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2 |
Been on somewhat of a frigate roll lately! This class is the real Nakhoda Ragam class rejected by Brunei. I thought what-if instead of BAE Systems winning the arbitration and forcing Brunei to take the ships to sell them on, that BAE took possession and the RN acquired them cheap as patrol frigates? The result would not be as effective as a Type 23 or even a late Type 22 but it would have offered decent enough capability despite the use of commercial systems. In my AU they finally get CAMM and Artisan and upgraded ESM. Nothing fancy but they are perhaps similar in concept to the Type 81 Tribals and would have been useful for patrol purposes. Type 83 Class HMS Plymouth, 2007 HMS Weymouth, 2019 |
Author: | Colombamike [ May 5th, 2020, 10:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2 |
This class is the real Nakhoda Ragam class rejected by Brunei. I thought what-if instead of BAE Systems winning the arbitration and forcing Brunei to take the ships to sell them on, that BAE took possession and the RN acquired them cheap as patrol frigates?
@Hood,The result would not be as effective as a Type 23 or even a late Type 22 but it would have offered decent enough capability despite the use of commercial systems. In my AU they finally get CAMM and Artisan and upgraded ESM. Nothing fancy but they are perhaps similar in concept to the Type 81 Tribals and would have been useful for patrol purposes. Type 83 Class knowing the influence of BAE system on all British defense (since 20+ years ), on your 2 drawings you can replace the Italian 76mm (second-hand mount in 2007 ?)...by...the BAE Bofor 57mm |
Author: | erik_t [ May 5th, 2020, 1:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2 |
The Type 25 is delightful, but (sorry!) an unconventional layout like this screams out for a top view |
Author: | eswube [ May 17th, 2020, 8:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2 |
Excellent additions! |
Author: | TallBox [ May 27th, 2020, 3:07 am ] |
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Fantastic work, Hood! |
Author: | TallBox [ May 27th, 2020, 3:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2 |
Type 25 Future Surface Combatant
I love the concept, but I kind of feel if you're going Trimaran - and with the amount of kit you've packed in (big AESA, 64 VLS, large hangar) - why not go for a 150-180m (OA) / 8,000-11,000t ship? Developed during the late 1990s and early 2000s as an advanced replacement for the Type 22 and Type 44 frigates. The roles were for air defence, anti-ship, land-attack and expeditionary force support. The design was to be highly innovative with a trimaran hull, pumpjet propulsion and stealthy features. The layout gave a stable and compact platform, its width allowing hangars and internal boat bays as well as Sylver VLS launchers along the centreline. The flight deck was large enough to land a Chinook and could also be used to carry cargo containers. The combat system was based on that of the Type 45 and capability was very similar. This high-cost solution was approved in 1999 but cancelled in 2004 just before the first ship was due to be laid down and the cheaper Type 26 programme was brought into existence instead. Elements of the propulsion went into the Type 26 but rumours in 2020 were that a smaller derivative might replace the Type 24s in the late 2020s. Dimensions: 410ft (oa), 381ft 6in (wl) length; 105ft beam; 22ft draught (over sonar dome), 15ft 6in (hull). Machinery: One Rolls-Royce MT30 gas turbine plus four MTU diesel generators, four waterjets Speed: 32kts (deep and clean) Range: 7,000 nautical miles at 18kts Displacement: 6,500 tons standard Armament: 1x 76mm OTO Super Rapid gun mount, fire-control by 1x Lirod Mk.2 2x4 container-launchers for Harpoon SSMs 4x8-cell Sylver A70 VLS for Naval-SCALP cruise-missiles or Aster SAMs 4x8-cell Sylver A50 VLS for quad-packed CAMM, CAMM-ER SAMs or quad-packed Spear-ER SSMs 4x1 30mm MSI-DSI 30 gun mounts 2x1 25mm MSI-DSI Sigma 25 gun mounts 2x Starstreak CIWS mounts with 24x Starstreak SAMs 2x2 12.75in lightweight A/S torpedo tubes for Stingray Aircraft: Hangar for up to; 2x Westland Merlin HM.2 or 2x Leonardo Wildcat HM.2 Radars: BAe Sampson multi-function radar 1x Type 1009 navigation radars 4x Type 1010 phased-array surface search radars 4x Gatekeeper EO/IR sensors Type 2091 bow-mounted multi-function sonar Type 2087 towed sonar EW/Defences: Thales UAT(16) ESM 1x Type 2199 Pillbox EW jammer 2x Seagnat decoy launchers 4x DLF(3) floating decoy launchers I could imagine (in an AU), the RN committing to 12 of these but ending up with 3 once they realised how horrifically expensive they were. |
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