Shipbucket

I Consider three escenarios. CAT-SPA in NATO and good relations for 2022-2028 catalan armed force circa 0.2% pop + reserves 0,45% pop 1,6% GDP. Not NATO one of both. Good relations CAT With FRA and SP 0.25% pop in uniform + 0.55% + reserves 1.9% GDP in defense. Not in NATO at least one and Bad relations with at least one neighbour 2022-2028 0.30% pop in uniform + 0.65 with reserves and gdp in defence circa 2.2% GDP.

As I used as idea in contrast to ANC document that there was an agreement on partition. Because it is the option that is less bad for both sides.

Do you know which class of SASEMAR ships are based on Tarragona? I can´t find them...

There is a "shipbucketed" Serviola here: http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewto ... 868#p81839

The problem with the BAMs is that I don´t know if they are “fitted for but not with” sensors and weapons. If they are, you can modify it as a corvette... but if they were designed as pure OPV, with no advanced sensors or weapons in mind, conversion seems to me a big and costly issue, and in that case, maybe I would prefer to buy a second hand combat capable vessel instead...

I like your River OPV, but the bow appears a little purple to me, I don´t know if it’s my problem or someone else also see it like that...

About the NH90, I would keep them also, but just as land based ASW helicopter. For me their running cost to operate doesn’t justify to embark them in a simple patrol ship that can´t take fully benefit of them and vice versa... I would only deploy them sporadically just to keep the qualifications of the pilots, but not as his standard on-board type…
I like the Tripartite the most, and also the Hunt class seems right to me (how about the Sandown??? ). The idea of a modified patrol boat was to keep commonality with other ships, but if they sell them at good price, i´ll take any of them…

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MCM hibrid based on Hunt Class Design.

http://jaume1e.deviantart.com/art/Mcm-M ... 1422229004

I decided to have a force of circa 30000 active and Reserve 1 and 1,6 GDP in defense which is over 3,200 millions of €uros.

If Spain delivers Segura class MH. I worked a Real design database RN Sandown to make a Segura.

http://jaume1e.deviantart.com/art/CNS-M ... _changes=1

Catalan navy 2018
2 FFG Santa Maria Class
2 Descubierta class OPV

2 Inshore patrol boats.
2 toralla 133m class.

3 OPVs
P10: Medes Exspanish Medas Anaga class.
2 Ex-Spanish Serviola Class. Ex Vigía and Centinela
P11: Grumet
P12: Capità

1 LPH
L01 Former Spanish L52 Castilla. (stored, searching costumer)
4 LCM1E landing crafts.
1 Replensihment oiler
A01 former A14 Patiño. (stored)
1 fleet tug former Mahón (being refited)
1 Hidrogaphic ship. being operated jointly with fishery department.

4 S61 exSpanish navy
4 AB-212 exspanish navy.
Catalan Navy Ships in 2022

6 Inshore patrol vessels.
2 Ex spanish 133tm Toralla Class. Renamed Cape class.
P01: Cap de Creus.
P02: Cap Salou
4 Catalan made Almogaver Class.
P03: Almogàver
P04: Ballester
P05: Contramestre
P06: Dragó

6 OPVs.
P10: Medes Exspanish Medas Anaga class. will be used by the naval reserve.
2 Ex-Spanish Serviola Class. Ex Vigía and Centinela
P11: Grumet (decomission scheduled in 2023)
P12: Capità (decomission scheduled in 2024)
3 River Class OPV Tyne subclass.
P13: Ter
P14: Ebre
P15: Llobregat
P16: Segre (to be comissioned in 2023)

2 hidrographic ships used jointly with the envirovement and fishing departments.
A1
A2

1 Fleet tug
A3 Ajuda (former spanish Mahon).

1 LPH
L01 Former Spanish L52 Castilla. (not in service)
4 LCM1E landing crafts.
1 Replensihment oiler
A01 former A14 Patiño. (Not in service).


2 Mine Countermessure Ships. Built with VT assistance.
MCMS 01: Bala
MCMs 02: Dard

4 UAVs IAI Searcher.

14 helicopters
6 NH90 shore based.
4 AB-212 ExSpanish navy.
4 AW139 used jointly with ACSM.
EC135 are in a triservice helicopter basic trainning flight.

Sorry I didn't finish to post when I did it yesterday.
Other former spanishs ship obtained during partition.

2 FFG Santa Maria Class (sold to Colombia)
2 Descubierta OPV ( sold to Philipines)

Other: fire ships, patrol boats and high seas salvament ships. operated by the ASMC (catalan marine security agency) and Port police and coast guard.

Not sure if a new build hunt based class MCM has any place in a navy with protector USVs ? (would drones not take over and they could work from any ship ?)

Looking at your list makes me think you have a lot of different types of ship to look after can you cut it down ?

IMO I would maybe go with,

2 x Ex spanish 133tm Toralla Class. Renamed Cape class.
4 x Descubierta-class corvettes
+ Speed harbour/police/lifeboat boats etc.
5 x Aérospatiale SA330 Puma
(I'm assuming they are basically given free without you having mush choice in what you picked ? they are old but usable till we can replace them. I don't really know much about them but would prefer full classes so as not to split support costs)

Then you could go and buy 3 Rivers (Tyne subgroup) from RN (I'm sure you would get a nice price if you agreed to buy a few (3?) new builds at the same time. This would then replace most of you ships with a fleet of 6 Rivers that could patrol effectively and would be cheap to run (and not to old 3x 2003 and 3 x 2018 set up in a nice pattern for replacement). If you want you can add more weapons than the RN does such as the Omni Khareef class and you can probably fit them with the MCM drones you will be using in that role.
Other classes are probably available from French etc look around and you might get a good deal unless you have to support your own shipyard but any supplier will probably be happy to licence to you.
JSB

I'm currenty working in an navy expansion program and a more conventional fleet consisting of corvettes and Frigates.


I also added swedish CB90 for the marines as fast landing craft and RHIB as trainning of the 1a Companyia de Infanteria de Marina and Special Forces. When I could have more experienced crews and troops the Company will be expanded to Battalion size and be more conventionally, from a the role of swedish coastal troops and finnish ones to a one like dutch marines.

http://www.deviantart.com/art/CNS-CB-90-554369962

I desestimated descubiertas: for weight, size and required crew. Also Descubiertas had been derated to patrol boats, and modified, I know that currently have an helipad no ASW mortar. Maybe instead of the Hunt modification I could had obtained 2 exspanish, Segura class, minehunters which are similar to Sandowns. So Catalan navy can Keep a "British look".

I considered that in 2016-2018 Catalan navy gets what's avaiable and from 2018 starts to purchase it's own assets.

I considered Type 26 frigates or FREMMs for my navy.

What about a few http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Beckett-class_OPV ? If the very OPV rather than warship appeals ?

My idea for 2023-2028 Period is basically expanding Catalan defense forces and doubling manpower from 9000 + 6000 reserves to 18000 + 15000 reserves. This means for navy increasing blue waters capacity, for airforce getting an long range lift capacity and a second fighter Squadron. I'll post during weekend.

My only question would be why ? (ie why do you/catalan taxpayers want a blew water navy ? I could see a large number of OPVs to manage the Med but what else will you need ?)

JSB