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Psilander
Post subject: Re: Armored cruiser, 1905Posted: September 13th, 2014, 7:48 am
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Nothing too worry about, just some rearrenged weights to fix it, after I increased the 75mm guns.
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Valkyria, Sweden Armored Cruiser laid down 1905 (Engine 1906)

Displacement:
9 488 t light; 9 980 t standard; 10 703 t normal; 11 281 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(472,44 ft / 459,32 ft) x 72,18 ft x (19,69 / 20,54 ft)
(144,00 m / 140,00 m) x 22,00 m x (6,00 / 6,26 m)

Armament:
8 - 8,27" / 210 mm 45,0 cal guns - 284,97lbs / 129,26kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
12 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
Weight of broadside 3 335 lbs / 1 513 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,827 t each, 3,309 t total
submerged bow tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5,91" / 150 mm 301,18 ft / 91,80 m 10,20 ft / 3,11 m
Ends: 1,97" / 50 mm 157,48 ft / 48,00 m 10,20 ft / 3,11 m
0,66 ft / 0,20 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 1,97" / 50 mm 298,56 ft / 91,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Hull void:
0,00" / 0 mm 0,00 ft / 0,00 m 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5,91" / 150 mm 2,95" / 75 mm 6,89" / 175 mm
2nd: 3,15" / 80 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 3,94" / 100 mm
3rd: 0,39" / 10 mm - -

- Protected deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm
Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 5,91" / 150 mm, Aft 29,72" / 755 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 33 883 shp / 25 277 Kw = 24,00 kts
Range 4 500nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 301 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
525 - 683

Cost:
£0,977 million / $3,908 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 793 tons, 7,4 %
- Guns: 786 tons, 7,3 %
- Weapons: 7 tons, 0,1 %
Armour: 2 792 tons, 26,1 %
- Belts: 1 109 tons, 10,4 %
- Armament: 679 tons, 6,3 %
- Armour Deck: 630 tons, 5,9 %
- Conning Towers: 373 tons, 3,5 %
Machinery: 2 420 tons, 22,6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 334 tons, 31,1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 215 tons, 11,4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1,4 %
- Hull below water: 25 tons
- Hull void weights: 25 tons
- Hull above water: 25 tons
- On freeboard deck: 50 tons
- Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11 446 lbs / 5 192 Kg = 40,5 x 8,3 " / 210 mm shells or 2,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,31
Metacentric height 5,0 ft / 1,5 m
Roll period: 13,6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,29
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,08

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,574 / 0,580
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,36 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21,43 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00 %, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Forward deck: 10,00 %, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Aft deck: 55,00 %, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00 %, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Average freeboard: 16,70 ft / 5,09 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101,6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127,8 %
Waterplane Area: 23 664 Square feet or 2 198 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 559 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,53
- Overall: 1,00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room

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Post subject: Re: Armored cruiser, 1905Posted: September 13th, 2014, 2:32 pm
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Better, although you still have that pesky Main Belt problem.

Are the beam 210mm guns in turrets or casemates?


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Psilander
Post subject: Re: Armored cruiser, 1905Posted: September 14th, 2014, 9:34 am
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Fixed a few centimeters and tons here and there
All main are in turrets
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Valkyria, Sweden Armored Cruiser laid down 1905 (Engine 1906)

Displacement:
9 488 t light; 9 980 t standard; 10 703 t normal; 11 281 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(472,44 ft / 459,32 ft) x 72,18 ft x (19,69 / 20,54 ft)
(144,00 m / 140,00 m) x 22,00 m x (6,00 / 6,26 m)

Armament:
8 - 8,27" / 210 mm 45,0 cal guns - 284,97lbs / 129,26kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
2 x Single mounts on sides amidships

8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
12 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm 50,0 cal guns - 13,62lbs / 6,18kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
Weight of broadside 3 335 lbs / 1 513 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,827 t each, 3,309 t total
submerged bow tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5,91" / 150 mm 305,12 ft / 93,00 m 10,20 ft / 3,11 m
Ends: 1,97" / 50 mm 154,20 ft / 47,00 m 10,20 ft / 3,11 m
Upper: 1,97" / 50 mm 298,56 ft / 91,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

- Hull void:
0,00" / 0 mm 0,00 ft / 0,00 m 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5,91" / 150 mm 2,95" / 75 mm 6,89" / 175 mm
2nd: 3,15" / 80 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 3,94" / 100 mm
3rd: 0,39" / 10 mm - -

- Protected deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm
Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 5,91" / 150 mm, Aft 29,72" / 755 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 33 883 shp / 25 277 Kw = 24,00 kts
Range 4 500nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 301 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
525 - 683

Cost:
£0,977 million / $3,908 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 793 tons, 7,4 %
- Guns: 786 tons, 7,3 %
- Weapons: 7 tons, 0,1 %
Armour: 2 799 tons, 26,2 %
- Belts: 1 117 tons, 10,4 %
- Armament: 679 tons, 6,3 %
- Armour Deck: 630 tons, 5,9 %
- Conning Towers: 373 tons, 3,5 %
Machinery: 2 420 tons, 22,6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 351 tons, 31,3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 215 tons, 11,4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 125 tons, 1,2 %
- Hull below water: 25 tons
- Hull void weights: 25 tons
- Hull above water: 25 tons
- On freeboard deck: 25 tons
- Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
11 509 lbs / 5 220 Kg = 40,7 x 8,3 " / 210 mm shells or 2,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,31
Metacentric height 5,0 ft / 1,5 m
Roll period: 13,6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,29
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,08

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,574 / 0,580
Length to Beam Ratio: 6,36 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21,43 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00 %, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Forward deck: 10,00 %, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Aft deck: 55,00 %, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00 %, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Average freeboard: 16,70 ft / 5,09 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101,6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127,8 %
Waterplane Area: 23 664 Square feet or 2 198 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 562 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,95
- Longitudinal: 1,54
- Overall: 1,00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room

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Psilander
Post subject: Re: Armored cruiser, 1905Posted: December 12th, 2014, 9:55 pm
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Almost finalized.

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Post subject: Re: Armored cruiser, 1905Posted: December 12th, 2014, 10:46 pm
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That's a nice looking cruiser Psilander. Bit more gracefulness in the design compared to the more chunky and solid UK designs I've been working with lately.


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Post subject: Re: Armored cruiser, 1905Posted: December 12th, 2014, 11:32 pm
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Krakatoa wrote:
That's a nice looking cruiser Psilander. Bit more gracefulness in the design compared to the more chunky and solid UK designs I've been working with lately.
Thanks, she is mostly inspired by SMS Scharnhorst and HMS Black Prince. I am not totally happy with the bridge....any suggestions

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Post subject: Re: Armored cruiser, 1905Posted: December 12th, 2014, 11:49 pm
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I don't see anything wrong with the bridge/tripod area, that 1900-05 era had very small superstructures. It was not till later when the designers were creating height to place the rangefinders and director control equipment that the bigger bridges came about.


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Psilander
Post subject: Re: Armored cruiser, 1905Posted: December 13th, 2014, 12:13 am
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Remade the bridge, looks a bit more realistic and elegant now I think

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Post subject: Re: Armored cruiser, 1905Posted: December 13th, 2014, 12:22 pm
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Very nice work, an elegant design.

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Post subject: Re: Armored cruiser, 1905Posted: December 13th, 2014, 9:17 pm
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Excellent as always. :)


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