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Author: | emperor_andreas [ November 29th, 2022, 12:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Project 23 (Sovetsky Soyuz) preliminary designs |
A Nagato-esque forward funnel. I like it! |
Author: | darthpanda [ December 1st, 2022, 7:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Project 23 (Sovetsky Soyuz) preliminary designs |
Question: what kind of seaplane was planned to use on this ship? |
Author: | Karle94 [ December 1st, 2022, 2:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Project 23 (Sovetsky Soyuz) preliminary designs |
My guess would be something akin to the Beriev Be-2. That is what was used historically by the Soviet navy. |
Author: | bugsier_060 [ December 1st, 2022, 8:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Project 23 (Sovetsky Soyuz) preliminary designs |
Hi guys, the KB-4 variant is a forerunner variant (dated from the year 1936) of project 23 (Sovietsky Sojuz class). It is exactly described in the russian book "Superlinkori Stalina" (means "Stalin's Superbattleships"). Siegfried Breyer has also included this ship in his second volume "Battleships and Battlecruiser 1921-1997" and -amazingly enough- Breyer even provides in his book a sectional drawing which the russian book doesn't include. Nevertheless, I took the data from the russian book because a few times the data of the two books are a little bit different and the russian book provides more data - of course. Of course, in both books the sketches are only quite small and poor and b/w. @Object 221: Thus I am very, very glad not to say enthusiastic, that you have brought this ship here, which was a long lasted dream of mine. A very fine drawing! here some technical data: displacement (full load): 51.000 metric tons " (stdd.): 45.900 metric tons length o.a.: 255,0 m width: 33,5 m (all in all) / 31,5 m (Waterline) depth (at stdd. depl.): 9,5 m SHP (planned/theoretical): 200.000 Range: 7.000 nm / 14 kn crew: 1.360 speed (max.) 30 kn armoг: upper belt: 220 mm / 5°declined lower belt (waterline): 380 mm / 5°declined bulkheads: 400 mm deck: back: 30 mm upper deck: 50mm above magazins: 180 average: 150 mm frontside of the 40,6-cm-turrets and their barbettes: 420 mm conning tower: 230-425 mm (from Breyer's book) armament: 3 triple turrets 40,6 cm 6 twin turrets 15,2 cm AA's: 6 twin AA's 10 cm 10 quadruple AA's 3,7 cm |
Author: | eswube [ December 12th, 2022, 6:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Project 23 (Sovetsky Soyuz) preliminary designs |
@Object 221 - nice drawing, but I'd say that available drawings of that ship (like the one in - mentioned by Bugsier_060 - book Superlinkori Stalina, page 14) suggest that stern isn't so rounded as your shading seems to imply. In fact it's almost a transom stern, just with rounded edges. @Bugsier_060 - KB-4 is not a name of the design, but of the designing office (Konstruktorskoye Byuro No. 4 Baltiyskogo Zavoda imieni Sergo Ordzhonikidze - Design Bureau No. 4 of the Baltic Factory named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze). In that sense, you may say that "Linyennyi Korabl tipa A" (Battleship of the A-type) is forerunner of Pr. 23, but that applies also to the design proposal submitted by TsKBS-1 (Tsentralnoye Konstruktorskoye Byuro Spetssudostroyenya - Central Design Office of Special Shipbuilding). |
Author: | bugsier_060 [ December 12th, 2022, 9:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Project 23 (Sovetsky Soyuz) preliminary designs |
@Bugsier_060 - KB-4 is not a name of the design, but of the designing office (Konstruktorskoye Byuro No. 4 Baltiyskogo Zavoda imieni Sergo Ordzhonikidze - Design Bureau No. 4 of the Baltic Factory named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze). In that sense, you may say that "Linyennyi Korabl tipa A" (Battleship of the A-type) is forerunner of Pr. 23, but that applies also to the design proposal submitted by TsKBS-1 (Tsentralnoye Konstruktorskoye Byuro Spetssudostroyenya - Central Design Office of Special Shipbuilding). [/quote] I know that KB-4 was a construction bureau (Breyer as well as russian sources tells it). But it doesn't matter whether or not, because this abbreviation is the only identifier of this ship. |
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