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If the Type 26 ends up with a 127mm gun, would the Type 45s receive them in a later refit?

i still skeptical that the the T26 will be fitted with 127's, but it is probably safe to assume between now and 2030 the Daring's will be up gunned.

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thing is RP1 its not just the epense of buying 127mm's its the cost of retraining all the gunfitters and crews, The complication of having 2 sets of spares and ammunition in the supply train at a stroke you have to cut the ammount of Ammunition carried by RFA's as you have to carry 2 natures, the same goes at the Ammunition depots. For NGFS teams it also means having to remember which has which. Yeap the Mk8 is at the end of its devlopment. I do hope that the 155mm comes back to play as its a very flexible round and if its the same as is in the army supply chain simplifies things.

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BAE is developing/proposing the 155 AGS "Lite" for the Flight III DDG-51's.

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Rifleman, all these things are true to some extent - loss so the RFA bit where you are still carrying the same number of rounds, minus the reduction due to the increased size, but you have to use modern warehousing techniques - which are going to be used anyway, as RFA is having to get more flexible in order to meet NATO and EU integration "plans". Assuming it turns out to be possible, of course. The same thing applies to 155mm - there have been questions as to whether it really saves that much on a well-managed modern supply chain.

However, there is something called "spend to save". UK-only equipment is very expensive. Challenger-2 was to be re-gunned with 120mm smoothbore under a similar scheme, and despite all the costs in retraining, buying new ammunition etc, it would still have been cheaper over the lifespan of the tanks, rather than remanufacturing the 120mm rifled ammunition to continue as-is. Ultimately, that plan was nixed due to - as I pointed out - cashflow. There was just no money to do anything with the main rifles, regardless of what it would save in the long term.

FWIW personally I expect the ships to have Mk8 as built, again, due to cashflow. There will be much talk about re-gunning, but it will never happen and the UK will persist with it's own special calibre for as long as possible, but then I'm such a well-known optimist. The two possible ways this could be avoided are: Oto-Melara makes much of the Good European angle, or more sensibly, they open a factory in the UK.

RP1

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RP say for example RFA Regent currently carries 10000 rounds of 4.5 in HE if in future the type 26 has a 127mm gun and the type 45 has the 4.5 then Regent would need to split its storage of HE to 2 natures say making 5,000 rounds of 4.5 & 5,000 rounds of 127mm so effectivley you have reduced the natures by 50% in your 2nd line holdings. It is difficult.
I do agree with. I would prefer we went 155mm derived from AS90 from a pure gunnery perspective it makes NGFS more interesting.

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what is the Regent?

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A486 RFA Regent was broadly the Equivalent to the Mars Class Combat Stores ships (AFS).

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http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot ... fleet.html

type 26 is increasingly being finalized.

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Well , i think the UK should go with the 127 mm LW instead of theire 114 mm or a 155 mm because the limitations of a UK only system and because 155 mm rounds are realy heavy for frigate's and (not sure) but i remind me somehow that BAE systems postponed production of guided 155mm rounds. And i dont see a problem for future cargo ships if UK will replace the 114 mm's for 127 mm in her entire fleet Type 26 and Type 45 (in update) and posible other future combatants, even the french navy switched from theire own 100 mm's to 76 mm as a more NATO/EU standard.

And i dont know if anyone noticed but the T26 impressions released by BAE systems in 2012 show a VLS in the funnel construction and i couldn't find it in the drawing yet. As told on the UK Armed Forces blog it could be a VLS for up to 24 missile's.

BTW: great drawing, cant wait for the final design to be announced.

Some screenshots as found on th Blog


Front closeup


Posible 24 cell VLS for Tommahawk Strik missile's

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