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Leijonalippu Merellä - Finnish ships remakes and repaints 2019 and beyond
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Author:  Gollevainen [ September 15th, 2019, 10:03 am ]
Post subject:  Leijonalippu Merellä - Finnish ships remakes and repaints 2019 and beyond
This time I try to be good boy and make sure I post the real finnish ships I'll be using my AU in uploadable fashion also. To achieve it, I've decided to do it beforehand than the actuall AU, so Ill be sparsely filling up this thread for the next couple of years. (and if anyone wonders what my worklist will be, it will be quite self-evident)
Naturally Ill be focusing on those of the Finnish goverment and other publick owned vessels, hence the name, to commemorate a famous vintage book of the same subject by Visa Auvinen.


Starting up in random fashion, this time With the Steam Icebreakers. Allready we face up the biggest obstacle for this Project, that is the chronic lack of proper source material for several vessels. Despite having important part in the Finnish martime tradition, the old steam icebreakers are only covered partially for now, With two (or four depending how you count them) missing, namely Apu (1899) and Voima (1924) missing. But I have some scent over them and after the annual bookfair this October, I hope I have found couple of books I think could help me more about the subject.

anyway, here are:
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Author:  eswube [ September 15th, 2019, 10:33 am ]
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Excellent drawings! It's great to see You doing a remake of Finnish ships.
Only thing I can't say I like is shading of hull - it looks to me both bit excessive in terms of contrast and somewhat awkward when it comes th shape (especially near the above-water sections of bow).
Author:  Hood [ September 16th, 2019, 1:31 pm ]
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Very nice to see you back in action.

I have to agree with eswube though, the underwater hull shading seems a bit heavy-handed on some of these, though I guess the hulls were quite curvaceous?
Author:  Gollevainen [ September 17th, 2019, 1:35 pm ]
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the hullshading indeed is quite tricky since the old icebreaker hulls were rather round, and to makes matters worse for our style, quite tumblehome for the upper parts. They were essentially round objects, and although the drawing traditions in common sense have quite established ways of painting such forms, in our style it would have ment reverse use of same shades to portay different things at the same drawing. Also lack of proper sources was fustrating.

What I plan to do, is to travel at somepoint to our maritime museum in Kotka to look for the scalemodels of Tarmo and Sampo and to try to figure out the form bit better. For Sampo I had rudimentary hull lines as reference, for Tarmo, a vector painting, that made little sense of the shape
Author:  Gollevainen [ September 29th, 2019, 9:54 am ]
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I managed to find some sort of linedrawing for Voima, From Russian sources, which is bit embarasing, sad but typical for our ships. Russians have maritime tradition, that sadly lacks from Finland. :(
Anyways, the references weren't as good as with Sampo and Tarmo, but here is what i came up with, now with considerably reduced hullshading:

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Author:  eswube [ September 30th, 2019, 6:09 pm ]
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Great work!
Author:  sebu [ October 3rd, 2019, 3:27 pm ]
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Good start and great project you've here.
This might be the key to the library of MstK. ;)
Author:  Gollevainen [ October 6th, 2019, 9:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Leijonalippu Merellä - Finnish ships remakes and repaints 2019 and beyond
I apologise of doing this in completely random and arbitary fashion, but here some warships, namely those whom we started with in 1918, and didn't made it to the WWII,

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The C-class, or Cyclone (Tsiklon) class or the No:214 class small Torpedoboats. Their service was short, since allready 1919, when the the Finnish navy was giving cover for the RN that fougth the Soviet-Russian fleet in baltic, based at Finland, these little ships were pressured by Admiral Cowan to stay as long as the RN big ships did, and by November, the ice was too much and despite attempts to escort them to docks by Icebreaker Ilmarinen, they didn't make it and 3 of the class of 4 sunk by crushed with ice. The fourth which was under repairs, didn't sail any longer after this.

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The S-class, or Sokol class, consisted 5 vessels from the various sub-groups of the Russian Sokol class. Of these, 2 were later returned to the Soviets in 1922 by the Tarto treaty, and S-2 sunk in storm outside Pori in 1925, marking our biggest peace time naval disaster and raised attention to the poor material condition of the old inherited Tsarist ships.

Another torpedoboat, the No:212 was also briefly in Finnish service as S-6, but she was returned also in 1922. I will return to it, once I find proper sources of its quise in Finnish service.

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Klas Horn and Matti Kurki were former torpedo-gunboats Posadnik and Vojevoda, which acording to Finnish tradition were originally suposed to be ordered by Montenegro from Elbing yards, but Russian sources always states them to be ordered by themselves from the start. In Finnish service they served as gunboats and served untill Mid-1930s when Matti Kurki was expended as a target and Klas Horn became depot hulk for the survey department of the civilian maritime administration. In this role she was retained until 1957, then converted into a floating restaurant and burnt in 1963 after she was scrapped.
Author:  Hood [ October 6th, 2019, 2:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Leijonalippu Merellä - Finnish ships remakes and repaints 2019 and beyond
These are great additions, really lovely drawings.
Author:  eswube [ October 7th, 2019, 9:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Leijonalippu Merellä - Finnish ships remakes and repaints 2019 and beyond
Splendid additions!
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