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Author:  wkstl [ January 4th, 2017, 2:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Chinese Type 053H3 Frigate Modification
According to information from network, Chinese Type 053H3 Frigate(Jiangwei II class) Huaihua(FF-566) and Yichang(FF-564) have been finished the rehabilitation and modernization. I can confirm following status of modernization from the analysis of photographs:
HHQ-7 SAM is repalced by HQ-10.
Type 76A AA guns is repalced by H/PJ-12 gatling guns (Type 730 CIWS), two guns share one fire control system.
New upgraded Type 344A fire control radar for Type 79A twin 100mm gun.
New EW system similar to those on Type 054A Frigate
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Author:  Tobius [ January 17th, 2017, 9:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chinese Type 053H3 Frigate Modification
Interesting. That is a long blank after the ASROC and before the deckhouse. Any idea what's hiding under it? Can't be reloads for the ASROC, the magazine spaces aren't right.
Author:  wkstl [ January 18th, 2017, 7:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chinese Type 053H3 Frigate Modification
Tobius wrote:
Interesting. That is a long blank after the ASROC and before the deckhouse. Any idea what's hiding under it? Can't be reloads for the ASROC, the magazine spaces aren't right.
This is HHQ-10, Chinese RAM.
Author:  Tobius [ January 18th, 2017, 10:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chinese Type 053H3 Frigate Modification
You mean this?

That is NOT a RAM clone. It was in-house developed from a Chinese anti-helicopter missile called the TY-90, which itself was a ripoff of the Russians; specifically Strella 2 originally. As for RAM, that western bird traces its pedigree back to SIDEWINDER.

The Americans adapted an ASROC type launcher architecture for RAM. I presume the PLAN sensibly did the same.

Still doesn't answer the original question either. Why the blank space? What are the PLAN hiding under there?
Author:  acelanceloet [ January 18th, 2017, 11:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Chinese Type 053H3 Frigate Modification
From pictures from before this modernisation, it seems like the original missile launcher was somewhat bulkier, and 2 gun turrets were placed forward of the bridge. As this is an modernisation, replacing 3 mountings with one more capable launcher obviously leaves some free deck space, while the internal requirements vary very little so the superstructure stays in place. So the Chinese are hiding nothing on these ships, as far as I can see.

nobody said it was an RAM clone, it is however an missile similar in role and design to the RAM. You jump to conclusions way too fast, Tobius......

Also, what the hell does ASROC type launcher architecture mean? the only thing this thing has in common with the Mk 112 ASROC launcher is that it is an box launcher that can rotate in 2 dimensions, reloading, layout, internal workings and role are all different from the ASROC launcher.
Author:  wkstl [ January 18th, 2017, 2:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chinese Type 053H3 Frigate Modification
Tobius wrote:
You mean this?

That is NOT a RAM clone. It was in-house developed from a Chinese anti-helicopter missile called the TY-90, which itself was a ripoff of the Russians; specifically Strella 2 originally. As for RAM, that western bird traces its pedigree back to SIDEWINDER.

The Americans adapted an ASROC type launcher architecture for RAM. I presume the PLAN sensibly did the same.

Still doesn't answer the original question either. Why the blank space? What are the PLAN hiding under there?
Just sharing same function.
Originally, there are two Type 79A AA guns, removed.
HQ-10/FL-3000N has no relationship with TY-90, it is a new family.
Author:  wkstl [ January 18th, 2017, 2:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chinese Type 053H3 Frigate Modification
acelanceloet wrote:
From pictures from before this modernisation, it seems like the original missile launcher was somewhat bulkier, and 2 gun turrets were placed forward of the bridge. As this is an modernisation, replacing 3 mountings with one more capable launcher obviously leaves some free deck space, while the internal requirements vary very little so the superstructure stays in place. So the Chinese are hiding nothing on these ships, as far as I can see.

nobody said it was an RAM clone, it is however an missile similar in role and design to the RAM. You jump to conclusions way too fast, Tobius......

Also, what the hell does ASROC type launcher architecture mean? the only thing this thing has in common with the Mk 112 ASROC launcher is that it is an box launcher that can rotate in 2 dimensions, reloading, layout, internal workings and role are all different from the ASROC launcher.
did you notice new CY-11? new ASM sharing launch box with YJ-83
Author:  Tobius [ January 18th, 2017, 3:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chinese Type 053H3 Frigate Modification
wkstl wrote:
Tobius wrote:
You mean this?

That is NOT a RAM clone. It was in-house developed from a Chinese anti-helicopter missile called the TY-90, which itself was a ripoff of the Russians; specifically Strella 2 originally. As for RAM, that western bird traces its pedigree back to SIDEWINDER.

The Americans adapted an ASROC type launcher architecture for RAM. I presume the PLAN sensibly did the same.

Still doesn't answer the original question either. Why the blank space? What are the PLAN hiding under there?
Just sharing same function.
Originally, there are two Type 79A AA guns, removed.
HQ-10/FL-3000N has no relationship with TY-90, it is a new family.
Seeker array, guidance logics and motor architecture is the same. Even the fins. The only difference is a scale-up in tube diameter size and a different cross-sectioned burn candle to boost final speed at flame-out. That last "improvement" incidentally does not bode well as a defense against new AShMs like NSM. The (fat) missile body as designed is wrong for the needed high stress jerk maneuvers for a HTK intercept and the frag warhead (too small) will not stop an inbound by near pass miss.
Author:  wkstl [ January 18th, 2017, 3:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chinese Type 053H3 Frigate Modification
Tobius wrote:
wkstl wrote:
Tobius wrote:
You mean this?

That is NOT a RAM clone. It was in-house developed from a Chinese anti-helicopter missile called the TY-90, which itself was a ripoff of the Russians; specifically Strella 2 originally. As for RAM, that western bird traces its pedigree back to SIDEWINDER.

The Americans adapted an ASROC type launcher architecture for RAM. I presume the PLAN sensibly did the same.

Still doesn't answer the original question either. Why the blank space? What are the PLAN hiding under there?
Just sharing same function.
Originally, there are two Type 79A AA guns, removed.
HQ-10/FL-3000N has no relationship with TY-90, it is a new family.
Seeker array, guidance logics and motor architecture is the same. Even the fins. The only difference is a scale-up in tube diameter size and a different cross-sectioned burn candle to boost final speed at flame-out. That last "improvement" incidentally does not bode well as a defense against new AShMs like NSM. The (fat) missile body as designed is wrong for the needed high stress jerk maneuvers for a HTK intercept and the frag warhead (too small) will not stop an inbound by near pass miss.
This is ridiculous, Wikipedia about Chinese military equipments is not always believable, you'd better take a review about information from China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition.
Author:  Tobius [ January 19th, 2017, 9:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Chinese Type 053H3 Frigate Modification
Not Wikipedia.

Source is Israeli. :geek:
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