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Author:  CraigH [ November 29th, 2013, 2:48 pm ]
Post subject:  USS Bailey- Torpedo Boat (1899)
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USS Bailey TB-21, later TB-8 (1899)

Info:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bailey_%28TB-21%29

This is the 2nd USN vessel bearing the name Bailey.

Displacement: 235 tons (280 tons full)
Length: 205 ft (62 m)
Beam: 19 ft 2 in (5.84 m)
Draft: 6 ft (1.8 m)
Propulsion: 4 Seabury boilers, 2-shaft vertical triple expansion engines, 5,600 ihp (4,122 kW)
Speed: 30.2 kn
Complement: 56 officers and enlisted
Armament: 4 × 6-pounder guns
2 × 18 in (457 mm) torpedo tubes

Note: Does anyone have solid info on coloration of USN Torpedo Boats of this era? I really don't know if buff was used at this time.

Thanks!

CraigH
Author:  eswube [ November 29th, 2013, 5:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: USS Bailey- Torpedo Boat (1899)
Great work! :)
I'm not sure if as per SB-rules the propeller shaft shouldn't be 3-pixel thick (or 1-pixel), and if the railings shouldn't be changed to standard ones (two horizontal lines with 2 pixels apart, with vertical lines 5 pixels apart) - to me it's ok as it is, but potentially this could be an issue.
Author:  heuhen [ November 29th, 2013, 6:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: USS Bailey- Torpedo Boat (1899)
for railings: it depends on what type of railing the ship have.
Author:  KHT [ November 29th, 2013, 7:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: USS Bailey- Torpedo Boat (1899)
Beautiful drawing! I really like it! :D

Heh, I remember when I first started on SB, usually making the vertical lines 7-9 pixels apart, with nobody ever noticing. :mrgreen:
Author:  Raxar [ November 29th, 2013, 10:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: USS Bailey- Torpedo Boat (1899)
Nice work Craig!
As per railings, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) the rule is to use the standard unless the ship in question had something radically different.
Author:  Bombhead [ November 29th, 2013, 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: USS Bailey- Torpedo Boat (1899)
I can see your dilemma about the shafts Craig. I took your drawing into paint and played with it. I think it would look better if you did it in 3 pixel width with a black outline and droppped the sternmost bracket and rudder down one pixel to give you a straighter line to the shaft.Correct the colour blue on the port holes and put a black outlone around the prop guard and I would say that is a very tidy little drawing. ;)
Author:  Hood [ November 30th, 2013, 10:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: USS Bailey- Torpedo Boat (1899)
Looks good so far, a very smart looking torpedo boat and the colours look good.
The shafts are a dilemma at that scale, Bombhead's advice is sound I think. The railings are hard to determine, I like the bow railings because they are closer to reality and look good, I would be prepared to say because this is an older ship and a small vessel that the railings are ok because the standard ones would obscure too much detail. The only other issue is the black outlining, the upper deck and the torpedo tubes are dark grey not black, as are some of the keel lines. I guess its a layer issue when the drawing is drawn. Everything that has a hard external edge should be outlined in black. It's just these little trimmings that need fixing, the drawing is otherwise excellent.
Author:  CraigH [ November 30th, 2013, 5:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: USS Bailey- Torpedo Boat (1899)
Folks,
Here's the source drawing for the USS Bailey:
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Studying various images of similar TB's, all USN, same time period we have a couple constants regarding railings:

They were removable and very light (at deck level). Some had a single rail, some had two, the lines tended to be wire (light cable). They were removable primarily to get them out of the way for the torpedo tubes. The bow rails are split semi-evenly between a single line and two.

Railings tend to be lower than on larger ships probably to keep top-weight down. These vessels were long, narrow, and built very, lightly for speed. One could probably dent the hull with a hammer! (That's based on an opportunity I had to go aboard one of the last two 173' PC's (WW2 vintage) before it was scrapped). See:http://shipbucket.com/images.php?dir=Re ... Chaser.png. This one had been owned by Sweden or Norway, then Greenpeace, then by a crazy, semi psychotic German who lived aboard the thing in Berkeley Harbor before the city evicted him and the ship. Weird visit...

Anyway, I went with "light" and "minimalist" to reflect the source drawing and preponderance of images most similar to the Bailey. I went with the stanchions I could positively ID.

Doing some tweaks to bring it closer or at lease acceptable to standards, and cosmetically more pleasing (AKA prop shaft)...though a test showed adding a black edge made it feel to heavy.

Keep in mind, my word of the day when I draw is Verisimilitude.

ver·i·si·mil·i·tude
ˌverəsəˈmiliˌt(y)o͞od/
The appearance of being true or real.
"the detail gives the novel some verisimilitude"
synonyms: realism, believability, plausibility, authenticity, credibility, lifelikeness

OK, time to get some chores done.
CraigH
Author:  Bombhead [ November 30th, 2013, 10:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: USS Bailey- Torpedo Boat (1899)
I totally agree with your rationale Craig. it's just something we have to live with to stay within the core style rules and guidlines.
Author:  erik_t [ November 30th, 2013, 11:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: USS Bailey- Torpedo Boat (1899)
They are rules and guidelines. They are not commandments.

IMHO, speaking as a non-staff guy.
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