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Author:  Lazer_one [ October 7th, 2010, 4:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Pr. 97
After Pr. 52 was designed a further class of "port" icebreakers called Project 97: during the years were produced 31 vessels within some series.

Basic Pr. 97

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Pr. 97 A - internal modifications of the hull

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Pr. 97 D - a couple of units for research

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Pr. 97 E - an icebreaker for Rostock port (DDR)

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Pr. 97 AP - the armed version before 97 P (the Ivan Susanin class drawn by Gollevainen)

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Pr. 97 B and Pr. 97 N will come soon
Author:  Gollevainen [ October 7th, 2010, 4:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pr. 97
I think you should use the proper twin 57mm:
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Author:  Lazer_one [ October 7th, 2010, 4:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pr. 97
Gollevainen wrote:
I think you should use the proper twin 57mm:
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Which color do you suggest?
Author:  Gollevainen [ October 7th, 2010, 5:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pr. 97
normal naval grey.
Soviet Border Guard used naval colors.
Author:  Lazer_one [ October 8th, 2010, 6:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pr. 97
Gollevainen wrote:
normal naval grey.
Soviet Border Guard used naval colors.
The color of this vessels is a tricky point as well its flag: almost all these units were "merchant" vessels but with military crew from Border Troop (which is one branch of KGB).
I didn't found any picture of 97AP armed and the only color picture of Sadko was showing pale yellow upper structure... Also the profile from which I made the drawing was showing a "unreal" 57 twin gun.

At the end I am not sure whether Sadko was really equipped with guns or was only modified in order to be equipped and so I am thinking to do a grey version with gun and border troop flag plus a second version unarmed and "colored".

About the flag for 97, 97A and 97D what do you suggest?
Author:  Gollevainen [ October 8th, 2010, 7:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pr. 97
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/06 ... 394001.jpg

Dobryana Nichitin atleast once fiedled the gun. And, it is the ZiF-71 gun despite been drawn in funky ways in some charts.

For civilian ships, you should use norman Soviet merchant ensigns. (state flag)
Author:  Lazer_one [ October 9th, 2010, 3:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pr. 97
Here are the fixed drawings. For a couple of them I made a double version.

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Author:  Lazer_one [ December 22nd, 2010, 12:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pr. 97
Another unit of the series: Otto Schmidt. I got only one color picture showing it red and few B/W picture showing a light color...

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The last one, the Pr. 97 B Vladimir Kavrayskiy, will come soon.
Author:  Gollevainen [ December 22nd, 2010, 12:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pr. 97
Nice...
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this model shows here in brigth dark orange
Author:  WhyMe [ December 22nd, 2010, 1:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pr. 97
Great stuff! I like how you make series out of a study of a single ship class.
Although I find the way you spell Russian names a little weird. For example, see how your "Jurji Lisjanskij" is spelled in this wiki article.
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