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Nice to see the Nea Genea Destroyers, all V1 series are wonderfully drawn. And a question? What ks this oval thing at underwater hull in bow?

It is an auxiliary rudder odyseus1980. a lot of German destroyers were fitted with them during this period.

I actually have a great photo of T118 in heavy weather with the bow exposed showing the auxiliary rudder clearly. I will upload it once I get my scanner hooked up again.

Another very excellent series, bravo!

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Indeed very beautiful. I hope it will continue with B97 and up to H147.

Excellent work!

What's next????????

Outstanding!

And I join the question, what next?

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Fantastic additions!

Ye-e-a! The black domestics of Großadmiral Tirpitz again! Fantastic work!




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This one I rather underestimated... I hope Dropbox does not collapse.

One step further backwards on the timeline: The 1906 type large torpedo boats (Große Torpedoboote 1906), covering the FY 06 through FY 10 acquisitions of 12 destroyers per year. Rating this collection of 60 ships as a single class is somewhat arbitrary, because especially the early boats vary widely from each other and incorporate significant development steps as time progresses. Like all German destroyers, they carried the last two digits of their names as pennant numbers painted to the bows in peacetime. As the wartime building programme expanded and new destroyers with numbers of 138 and above were ordered, the older boats were renamed in 1917, exchanging their designator letters indicating the building yard (G - Krupp Germania/Kiel, S - Schichau/Elbing, V - Vulcan/Stettin) with an uniform letter T.

1. S138 group (FY 06)
These 12 vessels form a homogenous group; apart from the distinctly larger size (530 versus 420 tons), they outwardly resemble the last group of the 1898 type. The S138 group were the last German destroyers without guns on the forecastle. Their single 88mm gun was arranged aft, and three 52mm guns were installed two abreast in the bridge wings and one amidships on the centerline. Three single 450mm torpedoes were carried, all in revolving deck mounts. Triple expansion engines gave a speed of 30 knots, two knots faster than the last 1898 type boats.



During the war, they were no longer considered useful combat units and mainly used for escort, patrol and mine warfare support duties. Only S138 was lost, like most German destroyers on a mine. Nine (all except S142, 144 and 146) were rearmed with a second 88mm gun replacing the two forward 52mm pieces; the new gun was placed on the forecastle. Other modifications were made to the bridge and the funnels.



2. V150 group (FY 07)
These destroyers were the first German torpedo craft which were completed with a gun on the forecastle. At 560 tons and 72 meters, they were both longer and bigger than their predecessors; speed was the same. They had shorter funnels to make them smaller targets. The first six boats of the FY 07 group differed from the rest by a different internal arrangement of machinery, resulting in differing placement of funnels and torpedo tubes.



Apart from the difference in appearance, the second group was the same as the first. The final unit V161 had turbine machinery, making it two knots faster than the others of its class; it could not be distinguished from her VTE-powered sisters.



Like most later German destroyers, they received raised bridges to protect the bridge personnel from spray and raised forefunnels to keep the bridge clear of smoke. V150 was lost by an accident; the others survived and were used in various auxiliary functions by the Reichsmarine during the 20s, except the last two who became British reparations.



V153 and V155 received new 88mm guns of a more powerful type in 1917; a lot of these guns became available as the 1913 type destroyers were upgunned with 105mm pieces.



3. V162, S165 and G169 groups (FY 08)
Although V161 is referred to as an experimental turbine vessel, the decision to fit all German destroyers with turbines was made even before she was completed and experimented with. As different types of turbines were available, the FY 1908 destroyers were divided into several subclasses to try all of them out and ordered from all three destroyer yards. They were upsized again to 630 tons. Performance-wise, they all had 32 knots design speed, although actual performance varied. Armament was also identical with two 88mm guns and three 450mm torpedo tubes. All of them changed the position of the forward torpedo tube from the well deck to aft of the bridge, allowing for a longer forecastle, better habitability and somewhat better seakeeping.

The first three - V162 through V164 - had Curtis-turbines license built by AEG; in V163, they were experimentally geared.



V162 was mined in the Baltic, where the class mostly operated during the war. None of the class was re-armed, although the other two received raised bridges and forefunnels during the war.



The second group - S165 through S169 - was sold wholesale to Turkey in 1910 together with two old battleships. S165 became Muavenet i-Milleh, S166 became Yadhigar i-Millet, S167 became Nemune i-Hamiye and S168 became Gayret i-Vatanieh. The Turks had their armament changed to 2 75mm and 2 57mm guns. In this guise, they fought rather ineffectively in the Balkan wars.



In 1914, they were rearmed with two 88mm guns and two 37mm revolvers. They had an eventful first world war, and Muavenet i-Milliyeh became one of the few destroyers in history to sink an enemy battleship in a torpedo attack, the victim being HMS Goliath. Gayret i-Vatanieh was wrecked and Yadhigar i-Millet was one of the first warships to be sunk by aerial attack with bombs.



To maintain their destroyer strength, Germany ordered four completely identical repeat boats in 1910 from Schichau, which also received identical numbers. For some silly reason, they even received 450mm torpedoes, although the German navy had switched to 500mm torpedoes in 1909 (see below).



All operated mostly in the Baltic, suffering no losses. S165 and S168 received better 88mm guns in 1917; all had their bridges and funnels raised. According to one source, S168 received an additional 88mm gun (old model) in 1918, but I have found no evidence where that piece was mounted.



Of the third group - G169 through G173 - the first four had three-shaft Parsons turbines.



G173 had a conventional two-shaft plant; her different internal arrangement resulted in differing funnel positions.



G171 was lost in an accident in 1912. The other four had their bridges and forefunnels heightened in 1914.




G170, G172 and G173 were upgunned in 1916/7.




For reasons unknown, G169 was not. All except G172 (mined in 1918) survived the war, to be scrapped in 1920.



4. G174, S176 and V180 groups (FY 09)
The orders for FY1909 were again divided among all three destroyer yards. All had about 660 tons; this size would be retained for the FY1910 boats too. Speed remained 32 knots. From 1909, all German destroyers had an increased torpedo armament of four 500mm tubes replacing the three 450mm tubes on older ships. Two were arranged amidships to fire towards either beam, two were arranged abreast the forefunnel, with their arcs limited to only one beam, but the ability to fire forward at an angle of 10 degrees off the centerline. Among the torpedo craft available to Germany when the first world war started, these twelve were probably the best; the unfortunate rearrangement of torpedoes on the FY10 boats and the reduction in size of the 1911 type made these inferior to the group of 1909. They were only eclipsed by the large 1913 type.

G174 and G175 were identical repeats of G173, but with the new torpedo arrangement.



Like their half-sister G173, their bridges and funnels were raised in 1914...



...and they were upgunned in 1916/7. Both survived the war and became British prizes, but were soon scrapped.



S176 through 179 were virtual repeats of S165 through S168, but with the new torpedo arrangement.



S178 was cut in half in an accident in 1913, but salvaged, joined together and re-commissioned; like S176 and S179, she survived the war to become a British prize. S177 was mined in the Baltic in 1915, where the class mostly operated. They received the usual modernizations, having bridges and funnels heightened and their gunnery upgraded. I have not been able to find out when they received which modification, so I only show their final guise.



V180 through 185 were very similar to the other FY1909 boats...



... and upgraded in a similar way. All survived the war. V185 was retained by the Reichsmarine, the other five became allied prizes (one Brazilian, one Japanese, three British).



5. V186 and G192 groups (FY 10)
The FY10 destroyers were in a way a step backwards. They had the same size, armament and performance as their predecessors, but the side torpedo tubes were moved forward into the well deck again to enable them to fire dead ahead, making these destroyers much wetter than their predecessors.

Otherwise, the first group (V186 through V191) was completely identical to V180 through 185.



V187 was rebuilt after trials; the side torpedo tubes were moved back, and the bridge moved to the forecastle. Although she certainly was less wet than her sisters, none of the others was so rebuilt.



V187 (surface action in 1914), V188 (submarine torpedo in 1915) and V191 (mine in 1915) were early war losses. V189 was the only 1906 type torpedo boat to take part in the battle of Jutland; by that time, she had her bridge and forefunnel raised, but still carried her old 88mm guns.



The three survivors were upgunned with newer 88mm guns in 1917/8. V190 was retained by the Reichsmarine and used as a trials vessel till the end of WWII, the other two became British prizes and were scrapped.



Apart from the torpedo arrangement, G192 through 197 were similar to G174 and 175.



Like most other boats of the class, they had their bridges and funnels heightened in 1914/5...



and were upgunned in 1916/7, except G194, which was lost in a surface action in 1916. G196 was retained by the Reichsmarine and also survived the second world war as a trials vessel; the other four became British prizes and were scrapped.



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