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Post subject: Re: British Battlecruiser TigerPosted: October 30th, 2016, 1:35 pm
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Tiger my favorite BC, great drawings.
What is the deck structure added just aft of Q turret in last 2 drawings?


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Post subject: Re: British Battlecruiser TigerPosted: October 30th, 2016, 2:31 pm
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Tiger reminds me of Kongou

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Post subject: Re: British Battlecruiser TigerPosted: October 30th, 2016, 9:23 pm
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TristanAlting wrote:
Tiger reminds me of Kongou
That is because the Japanese Kongo class were based on the design of HMS Tiger, and as the first of the class was built in Britain, by Vickers Armstrong at Barrow.

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Post subject: Re: British Battlecruiser TigerPosted: October 31st, 2016, 4:05 am
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TristanAlting wrote:
Tiger reminds me of Kongou
That is because the Japanese Kongo class were based on the design of HMS Tiger, and as the first of the class was built in Britain, by Vickers Armstrong at Barrow.
Kongou had already been launched when HMS Tiger was laid down. They're so similar because both are improved versions of HMS Lion, with the turret layout the Lions obviously should've been given in the first place.

At any rate this is a great rendering of a lovely ship, Garlicdesign. Any chance of a what-if rendering of Tiger had the Royal Navy kept her in service? Honestly I think they should have done so and sacrificed a different ship to the London Treaty, given that she was significantly better armored than the Renowns. And the Revenges were so horribly slow and had minimal potential for refit.


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Post subject: Re: British Battlecruiser TigerPosted: November 2nd, 2016, 4:01 pm
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Honestly I think they should have done so and sacrificed a different ship to the London Treaty, given that she was significantly better armored than the Renowns. And the Revenges were so horribly slow and had minimal potential for refit.
But Renown was newer, bigger, faster, had the same bigger 15" guns as rest of the fleet and by 1930 she had a refitted 9" belt similar to Tiger so why?
With hindsight keeping Tiger rather than Iron duke as a training ship make sense, but only if you follow IJN in rebuilding her post 37 (or even instead of a slow R class in service even if that would never be accepted at the time)
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Any chance of a what-if rendering of Tiger had the Royal Navy kept her in service?
Seconded :-P


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Post subject: Re: British Battlecruiser TigerPosted: November 2nd, 2016, 8:09 pm
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Remember Tiger was coal fired, and had done much high speed steaming with the battlecruiser force throughout the war.
She would need to be re-engined with oil-firing to be much use, and still had much used 13.5in guns.


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Post subject: Re: British Battlecruiser TigerPosted: November 2nd, 2016, 9:50 pm
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Plus Tiger would have been the only ship in the fleet with 13.5" guns. Ammunition would have had to be spread around the Empire for wherever it was possible the Tiger could be stationed. A huge undertaking for one ship. The only way to alleviate this would be to restrict Tiger to one station (Home Fleet, Mediterranean Fleet) so that ammunition only had to be provided in one place.


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Post subject: Re: British Battlecruiser TigerPosted: November 2nd, 2016, 9:55 pm
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...But if the RN was to keep HMS Tiger and scrap the slow 'R' class battleships, wouldn't they have enough 15" turrets to re-arm Tiger, while re-building her and modernizing the ship?

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Post subject: Re: British Battlecruiser TigerPosted: November 2nd, 2016, 11:10 pm
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This is funny, the same conversation was had when I put a remodelled Tiger into the Fisherless RN. Poor old Tiger, it is a much loved ship, but nobody wants her past 1935. Trying to rebuild Tiger to take 15" would be a horrendous job. Everything on Tiger from A to Y turret including propulsion system would have to be removed and replaced. It would be cheaper to build a new ship rather than remodel a 20+ year old one.

The reason that the four Kongo's were fine to rebuild is that Japan had another 4 battleships with 14" guns (8 ships with 14" in total) while Tiger would have been one of a kind.


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Post subject: Re: British Battlecruiser TigerPosted: November 3rd, 2016, 1:47 am
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wouldn't they have enough 15" turrets to re-arm Tiger, while re-building her and modernizing the ship?
You also cant do that (at least till treaty's collapse)

WNT 1923-1936
"(d) No retained capital ships or aircraft-carriers shall be reconstructed except for the purpose of providing means of defence against air and submarine attack, and subject to the following rules: the Contracting Powers may, for that purpose, equip existing tonnage with bulge or blister or anti-air attack deck protection, providing the increase of displacement thus effected does not exceed 3,000 tons (3,048 metric tons) displacement for each ship. No alterations in side armour, in calibre, number or general type of mounting of main armament shall be permitted......."

2 LNT till at least April 37
"(2) No capital ship shall carry a gun with a calibre exceeding 14 in."

So you cant rebuild her till very late and by that point its to late and you could anyway build a Vanguard.....


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