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Post subject: Re: USS New Mexico As Build 1918Posted: May 19th, 2014, 2:39 pm
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Karle, the Pennsylvania had a two-level CT, with an lower flag post, which the Arizona did not have. Hence the second (flag) bridge. Pennsy was selected as fleet flagship in (I believe!) 1920 and remained so, with sporadic interruptions throughout the 1920s-30s, all the way till Dec. 7, 1941! After that the CinCPac chose to fly his flag ashore, and the Pennsy went into yard care for repairs and modernization.

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Post subject: Re: USS New Mexico As Build 1918Posted: May 19th, 2014, 3:28 pm
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bezo, I think Karle means that Pennsylvania had an identical pilothouse (or whatever it was) to the one on New Mexico. Since New Mexico was selected as Pacific Fleet flagship in that same time period I'm going to guess that one of those levels is in fact a flag bridge.

Karle, Arizona didn't have that additional bridge level. I'm betting that you saw that in a photo on Navsource. If so, they misidentified the ship in that photo. The ship in that (those) photo(s) would be Pennsylvania.

Dave, I hope that in addition to the 1918 and 1933 versions, you also do a mid-1920's version of the ship (or ships) after they received additional, enclosed structures on the fore and mainmasts (as shown on the photo of Mississippi that I posted earlier). I believe that these might be enclosed spotting tops, though I'm not absolutely certain. Whatever they are, they become an easy way to identify individual ships in the class as each ship had them mounted at a different level. Mississippi had the structure mounted entirely below the top of the funnel (the roof of the structure was below the top of the funnel). Idaho had the roof of her structure slightly above the level of the top of the funnel and New Mexico's entire structure was mounted higher than the funnel due to the extra bridge level (entirely above the funnel). I just can't seem to find out when those levels were added.

Should you should decide to accept this mission. :D

One last thing. If you do decide to make the additional drawing, don't use the Navsource photo of New Mexico dated 1921 showing the ship off San Pedro, CA. They incorrectly identified that ship. Its actually Mississippi. As I said, you can tell from the height of the tops.


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Post subject: Re: USS New Mexico As Build 1918Posted: May 19th, 2014, 3:52 pm
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Spike, that is what I was referring to also. And you're absolutely right about what ships had them, and which didn't. (I'm not sure Karle's drawing of the Pennsy actually shows this, but I may be wrong...) I really appreciate your very informed level of knowledge, and I'm glad you responded!

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Post subject: Re: USS New Mexico As Build 1918Posted: May 19th, 2014, 4:00 pm
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I have only drawn the 1916, 1918 and 1941 (partially) versions of the Pennsylvania. As for the Arizona, 1916, 1918 and 1925. All are too early, or too late for the extra structure to be mounted.


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Post subject: Re: USS New Mexico As Build 1918Posted: May 19th, 2014, 5:39 pm
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Well, Karle, you're the artist! Whatcha waiting for? Draw those other versions as well then! 8-) ;) :D

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Post subject: Re: USS New Mexico As Build 1918Posted: May 19th, 2014, 5:45 pm
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Post subject: Re: USS New Mexico As Build 1918Posted: May 19th, 2014, 5:58 pm
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Would you mind if I start fidgeting with it then?

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Post subject: Re: USS New Mexico As Build 1918Posted: May 19th, 2014, 6:15 pm
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Karle94 wrote:
The Arizona and the Pennsylvania also had a second bridge level like that in the 20s. Also of note, the New Mexico was not commisioned with a second bridge structure like that, it was added shortly after.
Thanks Karle I'll keep her as is and do another showing the change/addition of the second bridge.

Bezo and Emperor I'll tanke your advice also.

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Post subject: Re: USS New Mexico As Build 1918Posted: May 19th, 2014, 6:17 pm
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bezobrazov wrote:
Would you mind if I start fidgeting with it then?
Not at all. If there is any ship you want to do just ask. I still have some 12-13 ships in half a dozen iterations to do.


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Post subject: Re: USS New Mexico As Build 1918Posted: May 19th, 2014, 6:20 pm
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Spike wrote:
bezo, I think Karle means that Pennsylvania had an identical pilothouse (or whatever it was) to the one on New Mexico. Since New Mexico was selected as Pacific Fleet flagship in that same time period I'm going to guess that one of those levels is in fact a flag bridge.

Karle, Arizona didn't have that additional bridge level. I'm betting that you saw that in a photo on Navsource. If so, they misidentified the ship in that photo. The ship in that (those) photo(s) would be Pennsylvania.

Dave, I hope that in addition to the 1918 and 1933 versions, you also do a mid-1920's version of the ship (or ships) after they received additional, enclosed structures on the fore and mainmasts (as shown on the photo of Mississippi that I posted earlier). I believe that these might be enclosed spotting tops, though I'm not absolutely certain. Whatever they are, they become an easy way to identify individual ships in the class as each ship had them mounted at a different level. Mississippi had the structure mounted entirely below the top of the funnel (the roof of the structure was below the top of the funnel). Idaho had the roof of her structure slightly above the level of the top of the funnel and New Mexico's entire structure was mounted higher than the funnel due to the extra bridge level (entirely above the funnel). I just can't seem to find out when those levels were added.

Should you should decide to accept this mission. :D

One last thing. If you do decide to make the additional drawing, don't use the Navsource photo of New Mexico dated 1921 showing the ship off San Pedro, CA. They incorrectly identified that ship. Its actually Mississippi. As I said, you can tell from the height of the tops.

I'll add your commission to my list of things todo.

The New Mexico.Tennessee and Colorado classes are really growing on me.

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