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Post subject: Re: 6 Frigates: The Sailing NavyPosted: January 14th, 2014, 2:51 pm
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my 2 cents: the deck rail is counted as railing and thus should not be 3 pixels thick. in the spars, 1 pixel thick is also possible on the ends, just try to avoid 2 pixel thickness with it's black blobs.

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Post subject: Re: 6 Frigates: The Sailing NavyPosted: January 14th, 2014, 3:13 pm
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^What he said.
The flying jib boom looks much better when rendered with 3px, rather than the black mess you had before.
Railings on the other hand are usually drawn in 1px

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Post subject: Re: 6 Frigates: The Sailing NavyPosted: January 14th, 2014, 3:37 pm
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on the other hand, unless iron railings, a two-tone two pixel wooden rendering would probably be best, to create a realistic look as possible. And these frigates did have wooden railings, substantially thicker than iron- or steel railings.

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Post subject: Re: 6 Frigates: The Sailing NavyPosted: January 14th, 2014, 4:15 pm
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I would focus on avoiding two-black-pixels, rather than on the traditional three-pixel rule. It just doesn't work well here.

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Post subject: Re: 6 Frigates: The Sailing NavyPosted: January 18th, 2014, 6:33 pm
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Done or nearly done on the "As Designed (1794) and As Launched (1797) USS Constitution.
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USS Constitution (1794) As Designed
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USS Constitution (1797) As Launched


Really went digging for descriptions and artwork from the earliest period of the Constitution prior to any significant modifications and came up with two semi conflicting descriptions primarily revolving around color...to the masts and spars. From this period there is actually very little regarding the ship's appearance however, dates of major refits are known with some description of modifications made. I stuck with 3 sources that had the best researched primary reference data and that dispelled hearsay that's been passed on as fact over time. Most sites repeat and pass on erroneous Bullsh__ from late 1800's reconstruction. Regarding color, most of the SB visible disagreement revolves around the lower mast platforms (ocre, natural, black).

1. There were no gun-port hinges except at the bow until the 1860s. They were unshipped and stowed below.
2. Hammock netting and bulwarks were filled in during construction as illustrated.
3. Guns have been deliberately omitted, the just cluttered up the drawing.
4. The Period Flag is a highly modified photo: tried to break the red, white and blue into 3 shades each to create the flowing look.
5. Went with the earliest scholarly masting and rigging example (before the Barbary War). It agrees with general American practice for the 1790's.
6. Worked on the 3-pixel rule, and adjoining black pixels. There's a lot of compromise here, some violates the SB Standards, I tried for a compromise that hopefully works. I'm finding that the SB Standards work well with modern ships well, but cause issues with older craft, creating over-sized structures. Complex rigging compounds the problems.
7. There is more rigging I want to include...after I find good reference material.

Comments and suggestions are very welcome.

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Post subject: Re: 6 Frigates: The Sailing NavyPosted: January 18th, 2014, 6:39 pm
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Those ships look absolutely beautiful, but the description is the same both times!

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Post subject: Re: 6 Frigates: The Sailing NavyPosted: January 18th, 2014, 7:07 pm
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I must concur with DG_Alpha, for those drawings are beautiful.

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Post subject: Re: 6 Frigates: The Sailing NavyPosted: January 18th, 2014, 7:43 pm
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Corrected the images with correct titles (See Above).

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Post subject: Re: 6 Frigates: The Sailing NavyPosted: January 18th, 2014, 8:20 pm
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Looks cool, I'd ask that you keep the naming aligned with the rest of the USN ships though.

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Post subject: Re: 6 Frigates: The Sailing NavyPosted: January 18th, 2014, 9:35 pm
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These are beautiful drawings.

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