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Great to see you back Miho.

If you don't mind, I made a few exceptionally minor adjustments to your drawing (fixed the SM-2s, added the SM-3, and changed the file name to match the current standards).

Erik's current USN Parts sheet (that I pulled the Standard Missiles from) is found here.

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It's a S1850M antenna only with texture added to the antenna face. I drew the thing myself, for the British Daring, I know what I'm talking about. And the S1850M antenna is larger and of a different shape than SMART-L.

The Rotterdam (as I did it) was never a really serious drawing. It was made for a game, not for shipbucket. It was later extensively reworked by others, but the base was never a serious effort. Ironically enough, the Rotterdam was based upon... A Thales render.

The funniest thing is that he apparently "reworked" the M-frigate... and promptly bolloxed up the hangar. In the original picture the Goalkeeper is on a slightly raised part of the hangar, and on his hangar, that raised part is missing. But that's wrong...
If you go around being all high and mighty about how accurate your reworkings are, you shouldn't fuck up things like that.

Timothy:
Thanks for the updates, but that SM-3 shouldn't be there. The ship might be able to fire it, but the Dutch navy doesn't have them in the inventory.

And yeah, great to be back. First thing I see is this...

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well, you've missed a whole lot of other shit, like the mutiny and so on......
btw I agree with you, mitch depends too much on (mostly outdated or wrong) drawings of ships, I have pointed out a few problems on his Holland class drawing as well, which I found out when 3d modelling the ship.... but he doesn't wants to fix them now. I am jealous on his drawing skills, but he makes a lot of mistakes like that.

btw, welcome back MihoshiK

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WHY ARE ALL OF YOU B**LSH****NG ME?
LAST TIME MY M FREGATE HAD COMMENT'S, WHY NOT 100% NEW?
AND NOW I DO THIS ONE 100% NEW I STILL GET BULLS**T

JUST WHAT THE F*** DO YOU GUYS WANT?

THE WHOLE F***ING DRAWING IS WRONG,EVERY SINGLE DIMENSION OF HANGAR, APAR, SUPERSTRUCTURE, EVERYTHING!
EVEN THE WHOLE UNDERWATER HULL

SO SHUT UP, BECAUSE THE ONLY THING YOU CAN MAKE THIS DRAWING GOOD, IS DOING IT 90% NEW!

Oh miho.
The Smart+l i used is the real size of the Smart+l, your smart l was to small so i used your ''pretending'' s1850m.
The s1850m, is not bigger.
Ill show you the pic.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2497/dsc1330.jpg
Good God, that image is way too big to include in the pageload. Linkified. - erik_t
And as of sm-3, we do have them.
The navy bought a whole set for one LCF.

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-F124 Sachsen class frigate
-F125 Baden-Württemberg class frigate
-Clemencau class aircraft carrier
-Zeven provincien class frigate
-Poolster class AOR
-Amsterdam class AOR
-Minas Gerais aircraft carrier

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I have been in the dock by the lcf evertsen.
And shoot a few pic's to draw this ship (thats why i do it now instead of the chosen S type i wanted to do earlier)
I got it now in my head.
And i asked vossiej to do this, he said ok.
And for the other ships mconrad said also ok.

But saying some false information while i got my facts right hurts me damm well.
And nothing stops me from finishing this right now!
Because im working on it, i got the whole ship in my head, i got tons of pics.
If i stop now, and being allowed later then it will be like its now.

And Just clear all the colour out of the original and trow it over mine.
You see it would be hard to do it.

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Embarked on: HNLMS Karel Doorman A833
To do list:
-Zeven Provincien class cruiser
-Joint support ship all sides
-F124 Sachsen class frigate
-F125 Baden-Württemberg class frigate
-Clemencau class aircraft carrier
-Zeven provincien class frigate
-Poolster class AOR
-Amsterdam class AOR
-Minas Gerais aircraft carrier

I'm a big enough man to admit when I'm wrong, and apparently I'm wrong about the SMART-L / S1850M antenna: The main difference seems to be in the internal electronics of the signal procesors. I falsely accused Mitch of using a wrong antenna, when in fact he was closer to being correct.

Even so, after looking around I figured that the SMART-L antenna could use an upgrade all the same (mainly thanks to this nice set of photos from the Danish Navy) and so I've pasted that onto the LCF:



Edit: Also, Mitchell when you had your "CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL" moment, you mentioned things like size of hangar, superstructure, etc. Lets make one thing clear. I lay no claims to the below the waterline part of the ship: That was Vossiej who added that. But for everything else, I used exactly the same Thales rendering which you are basing your drawing on. Zoink!

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@mihoshik: you have edited the SMART-L, right.... is it OK if I use that one for the THALES and Dutch parts sheets which I am working on? or is it better using mitches version (or are they the same?)

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Miho - I placed it on the Drawing because the Dutch are buying SM-3s.

The SM-3 has it's own problem. The one currently drawn is the SM-3 Block 2A, with the 21" (510mm) sustaniner motor. The currently tested Block 1, 1A, and 1B all use the old 13.5" sustainer motor (IIRC). The Big Book of Warfare is a great source for a lot of stuff.

Mitch - please don't inline images that big.

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As for your drawing miho.
I quess its good to use that as the Smart-L, and the one i drew for S1850m (as easier recognition between the 2)
But your stabilisation foot is wrong.

This one is for the LCF's.

Anyway edit as of 20:45 GMT+1 10/17/2010.
Im off to study. -I made a difference between the ''scout'' and the Kelvin Hughes.
Since the Kelvin is way larger then the scout on the LCF's.
Will change the one from rotterdam and M fregate aswell (Im clearing up the dutch file for golly anyway, its only better for the bucket if i fix it ^^)
-And yes the older smart l is still on it, didnt work on that part yet.

-Now i got an question.
I saw some time ago a very nice 5 bladed Screw on a drawing.
But i cant find it anymore, anybody knows where it is?
-And the ECM for LCF, anybody has it in 100%? and not behind railings

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Embarked on: HNLMS Karel Doorman A833
To do list:
-Zeven Provincien class cruiser
-Joint support ship all sides
-F124 Sachsen class frigate
-F125 Baden-Württemberg class frigate
-Clemencau class aircraft carrier
-Zeven provincien class frigate
-Poolster class AOR
-Amsterdam class AOR
-Minas Gerais aircraft carrier