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 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: Seydlitz

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 Post subject: Re: Seydlitz Posted: November 23rd, 2015, 1:38 pm 

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@Krakatoa Same length but it's weights that count. Derfflinger 31,000tons full; PE 19,000tons. In D the weight goes into armour (heavy 12") and armament; in PE into power and fuel, and some to AA. If you put twin 11" into PE - how many turrets? how many rounds per gun? Will you armour the ship to re...

 Forum: Real Designs  Topic: Proteced Cruiser Ministro Zenteno

smurf
 Post subject: Re: Protected Cruiser Ministro Zenteno Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:02 am 

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There is a line drawing of Barroso at http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1864 and some details at http://www.navypedia.org/ships/brazil/br_cr_almirante_barroso.htm Peter Brook's book "Warships for Export: Armstrong warships 1867 - 1927" has a page on the ship. pm me your e-mail ad...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: Germany - Interwar Capital Ship Proposals

smurf
 Post subject: Re: Germany - Design I/10 (1923) Posted: October 6th, 2015, 8:04 am 

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"Essentially no better than any of the other 10,000 ton cruiser designs for the Treaty cruisers." Interesting comment, Krakatoa. Technically, because the design used the standard German 8.2in/210mm gun, it was a capital ship under Washington rules, though actually very like treaty cruisers. Dependin...

 Forum: Real Designs  Topic: HMS Imperieuse (1896)

smurf
 Post subject: Re: HMS Imperieuse (1896) Posted: September 20th, 2015, 7:42 am 

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Imperieuse is well covered with photos and diagram in Friedman's book on Cruisers of the Victorian Era.
It would be good to see a drawing of her original 1886 layout 10 years earlier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Imperieuse_%281883%29

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: British 1940 heavy cruiser project

smurf
 Post subject: Re: British 1940 heavy cruiser project Posted: August 26th, 2015, 9:32 am 

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Some purely speculative thoughts on TT. The 10,000 ton ships of Table 2 are still in the size range of Counties and Towns - ie 'light cruisers' and would have TT for the same reasons that those classes carried them. 'Dual purpose' cruisers for both trade protection and fleet action. (Incidentally, t...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: British 1940 heavy cruiser project

smurf
 Post subject: Re: British 1940 heavy cruiser project Posted: August 7th, 2015, 5:28 am 

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Transom. (Drawings in the Cover are waterline.) Not built because resources needed for escorts, carriers, tank landing craft and damage repairs, while gun turrets would not be available until 1943 at earliest, and ships not ready until 1944. The only heavy gun ship continued was Vanguard, and she wa...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: British 1940 heavy cruiser project

smurf
 Post subject: Re: British 1940 heavy cruiser project Posted: August 3rd, 2015, 10:18 am 

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" 'as designed' with aviation facilities (basically the drawing already posted)" I suggest (on the basis of the drawings in Raven and Roberts' British Cruiser s 1. All your superstructure needs moving bodily back relative to the hull by about half a funnel's width 2. The bow needs a little flare, to...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: British 1940 heavy cruiser project

smurf
 Post subject: Re: British 1940 heavy cruiser project Posted: August 2nd, 2015, 11:07 pm 

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@ Garlicdesign: Names: George Moore, in Warship 1997, said In May 1941 the King approved the renaming of Effingham (not the sunk Hawkins class ship!) to Cornwallis , and Benbow to Albemarle . The names of the other two ships are not confirmed but likely to have been Hawke and Blake (names used for C...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: British 1940 heavy cruiser project

smurf
 Post subject: Re: British 1940 heavy cruiser project Posted: August 2nd, 2015, 7:32 am 

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Good point MihoshiK. When drawing any real ship in detail, you need to know the date you depict it if you want a truly accurate drawing. The same is true for "neverweres" though you may never have as much detail known. Your suggestion is valid, but no versions of these ships were ever drawn as they ...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: British 1940 heavy cruiser project

smurf
 Post subject: Re: British 1940 heavy cruiser project Posted: August 1st, 2015, 10:35 am 

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"I only ever found that single drawing " There are several drawings in various books. They are all redrawn from original sketches in (1) ShipsCover 624 Armoured Cruisers 1940 (2) Johns workbook 1941 [Drawings in Workbooks are simple sketches (not draughtsman's drawings) about 6in wide] The differenc...
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