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 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: King George V as originally planned 12x14"

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 Post subject: Re: King George V as originally planned 12x14" Posted: November 7th, 2014, 10:56 pm 

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Thanks, Krakatoa, for posting those. My last one needs a bit of detail work! Looking at it again, I thought a "14N 5.25" with 5.25 turrets as in 14O would overcome the objection to the concentrated DP battery, but you still can't put two DP turrets aft, as the DP magazine space has gone forward. Tha...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: King George V as originally planned 12x14"

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 Post subject: Re: King George V as originally planned 12x14" Posted: November 7th, 2014, 4:29 pm 

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Fixed cross-deck catapults were first installed at forecastle deck level in Amphions (46ft light) and Southamptons (53ft heavy). Decision taken 1933. The aircraft could be wheeled on to the catapult without using a crane. Agree the 4.5s could be at main deck level,as were the lower 5.25s. I've dug i...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: King George V as originally planned 12x14"

smurf
 Post subject: Re: King George V as originally planned 12x14" Posted: November 7th, 2014, 11:11 am 

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I agree its very tricky - I'll see if Raven & Roberts has any more to say.

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: King George V as originally planned 12x14"

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 Post subject: Re: King George V as originally planned 12x14" Posted: November 7th, 2014, 10:01 am 

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An excellent range of drawings. I sympathise with not wanting to lose the drawing of 15C, but no "15D" was planned, and with hindsight some thought the 4.5in the better gun. Sometime with more time perhaps a "real neverwere" 15C? However, I don't like your 14N. You were worried about space for aircr...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: SS Normandie's proposed life

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 Post subject: Re: SS Normandie's proposed life Posted: November 6th, 2014, 12:16 pm 

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Normandie's internal arrangements for looks and the benefit of passengers were most unsuitable for conversion to a carrier, especially the way the funnel uptakes were designed. Friedman's book on British carriers has comments on the poor value from conversions of large liners compared to purpose des...

 Forum: Real Designs  Topic: Royal Navy "E" class Cruisers

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 Post subject: Re: Royal Navy "E" class Cruisers Posted: November 4th, 2014, 8:26 pm 

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There is a snag to your "as completed" drawings. Have a look at these pictures. Their funnels were raised 5ft in their 1934-36 refits. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trekkies.cz%2Fstorage%2Fobrazky%2F2006%2F200611060030_emerald1.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trekkies.cz%2Fview...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: King George V as originally planned 12x14"

smurf
 Post subject: Re: King George V as originally planned 12x14" Posted: November 4th, 2014, 5:51 pm 

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1. the 4.5s would be as on Renown. The KGV design process with these started in July 1935. 2. With the machinery further aft (to save weight by shortening prop shafts) I see no reason for there not being enough space between funnel and bridge for the same aircraft arrangements. After all, for the sa...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: King George V as originally planned 12x14"

smurf
 Post subject: Re: King George V as originally planned 12x14" Posted: November 4th, 2014, 11:38 am 

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For designs at this stage the dates are critical: 14L Nov 1935 had 3x4 14in, but also 10x2 4.5in secondaries. That means that 15C with 3x3 15in, abandoned early in October 1935, would also have 4.5s. 14O was developed in a meeting held 2 Jan 1936 and had 12x14in and 16x5.25 14P with 10x14in was fina...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: King George V as originally planned 12x14"

smurf
 Post subject: Re: King George V as originally planned 12x14" Posted: November 3rd, 2014, 10:39 pm 

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Your first post: "I have done little other than removing the twin and replacing it with a quad. This added 10.5 feet to the length if the bow configuration is to be kept the same. That is the difference required for the extra clearance required by the quad from the superstructure and the extra size ...

 Forum: Never-Built Designs  Topic: Royal Sovereign Class Never-Were's

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 Post subject: Re: Royal Sovereign Class Never-Were's Posted: November 3rd, 2014, 9:06 am 

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Edit: That post was intended to be a pm!
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